Raid 25-05-10

[Deminion]

World of Logs

[JonnyAppleSeed]

Good effort guys,gals.... when we got it right we hit the enrage. Just need to work on getting out some more damage into her. Her days are numbered

[DFE]

1) sorry for showing up late, I just cant make it earlier due to RL
2) thanks for keeping spot for me
3) sorry for a fail on bite
4) on our two tries that were actually close (both 8%) we were missing some 15.000 raid DPS. That is a bit less than 1K per damage dealer.  While it is not little, it is still doable. There is a room to substantially increase DPS (work on rotations, movement management, cooldowns stacking) for some of us.

5) Please dont be so stupid as I was and when you are trying to bite someone, make sure that you are targeting him and not BQL... (and be in melee range, facing your target)

[TeaLeaf]

I think dropping to 6 healers is the win here.  In addition

Priest Divine Hymn rotation for air phases.
AM both air phases.

Healing can be handled by a solo paladin (beacon OT), shaman CH via OT, druid HOTs on both tanks then FFA on raid.  That's 3 healers handling tanks and most of the melee will also get full healing from the shaman's CH.  That leaves 3 full time healers (plus a little from the druid HOTing the tanks) for the raid which is more than enough, particularly if the healer group and the mage group both have a shadow priest.  The extra dps provided by having one less healer makes the kill a certainty give than you have already had an 8% wipe with 7 healers in the raid!

[Leemo]

Are you uploading any videos from from this raid Dfe?

Would be interesting to see what the 8% attempt was like from a ranged PoV, I can't really see because of her giant head and such.

(oh, and the Iceblock pwnage on Sindragosa would be nice too )

[DFE]

Are you uploading any videos from from this raid Dfe?
Would be interesting to see what the 8% attempt was like from a ranged PoV, I can't really see because of her giant head and such.

I think I kept both 8% attempts on my disk so I will upload one of them - obviously the one where I perform better

(oh, and the Iceblock pwnage on Sindragosa would be nice too )

I think I saved the last attempt where we killed Sindy despite having 4 iceblocks at once. So Sindy perhaps slipped on Blistering Cold ice patch and got beaten seriously by those Ice blocks
I deleted the wipes but come to think about it, I should have saved just ends of 2% and 1% wipes and attach them

Priest Divine Hymn rotation for air phases.

Geez, I just looked at Divine Hymn spell description. It is not enough that those filthy healers have almost automated their job with healbot but they have also spell that automatically picks several lowest health targets and lands a big heal, four times in a row, wow!  DPS version of this spell would be: Pick automatically the most dangerous add(s), stun it (them) and obliterate

[jantore]

Just wanted to come with a coment on what i noticed on the logs from the fight.
 
Some ppl have insane amount of DPS and others have almost 1/3 of top dps. Ofc there are difrence in gear, but it should not be so much. What it the reason for someone doing 1/3 of the dps from trick?
 
If the dps would be more even and the ppl with lower dps get it higher this would def be a kill from you guys. And any particular reason you guys have 8 druids and 5 pallys in the raid? Only 1 rouge, 1 hunter and so on. In Sora we had at least 2 rouges and 2-3 hunters as they did realy good dps alround on all fights. And i could only see 1 priest as well doing anything yesterday.
 
Is the raid group abit unbalanced?
 
So if you get the DPS up on the ones not doing above 10k dps you will def kill here asap.
 
JT

[jantore]

Geez, I just looked at Divine Hymn spell description. It is not enough that those filthy healers have almost automated their job with healbot but they have also spell that automatically picks several lowest health targets and lands a big heal, four times in a row, wow! DPS version of this spell would be: Pick automatically the most dangerous add(s), stun it (them) and obliterate

nah that would make it to easy to play a lock

[Deminion]

the reason you see ppl with very high dps JT, is because of Essence of the Blood Queen, which is a part of the way to down her.

[Leemo]

Yes, but even with [ITEM=71532]Essence of the Blood Queen[/ITEM] some people weren't getting over 6k DPS.

In ToC gear you should be at 6k DPS, surely?

With 2 tanks, 6 healers, I think the average DPS requirement is 9.5k DPS.

Something we need to address anyway.

[TeaLeaf]

Aye one of those was my shadow off-spec which tbh I have not put much effort into gearing yet (I'm only just starting to look to move it to T10 now my disc set is complete-ish), so that's why I am sat at the bottom of the tree, that combined with the fact is was i232 and your numbers depend on how many pacts or shadows you have to run around for.  As Lee said though, the buff makes a massive difference and as you can only bite at a certain rate then some never get bitten, some have been bitten for the majority of the fight and others staggered inbetween.  On the BQ fights the top dps are the first bitten, they get way longer to dps.

[DFE]

Just wanted to come with a coment on what i noticed on the logs from the fight.
 
Some ppl have insane amount of DPS and others have almost 1/3 of top dps. Ofc there are difrence in gear, but it should not be so much. What it the reason for someone doing 1/3 of the dps from trick?
 
If the dps would be more even and the ppl with lower dps get it higher this would def be a kill from you guys. And any particular reason you guys have 8 druids and 5 pallys in the raid? Only 1 rouge, 1 hunter and so on. In Sora we had at least 2 rouges and 2-3 hunters as they did realy good dps alround on all fights. And i could only see 1 priest as well doing anything yesterday.
 
Is the raid group abit unbalanced?
 
So if you get the DPS up on the ones not doing above 10k dps you will def kill here asap.
 
JT

Couple comments on this need to be done.
Raid comp:
We had too few sign ups so we had to bring "socials" to the raid.
There were 8 druids of four different specs (a tank, a melle, two casters, and four healers). The only abnormal number is 4 healers but as far as my healing knowledge goes (not very far:) ) this encounter seems to me as druid friendly with their HoTs and constant raid wide DoT aura.
There were 5 pallies of three different specs (a tank, 2 melee and 2 healers). I dont see an issue here at all. It is not like having 5 arcane mages.
We are very low on rogues currently as all raiding rogues are having time off from raiding. Similar for hunters. The only hunter to be there all the time is Legolei, I am on 2/3 raid due to RL and Zeol and Tanales are not able to attend lately. In my opinion on progression fights 5 high DPS mages are better for the raid than 3 high DPS mages + 2 unexperienced/ungeared/unskilled low DPS rogues/hunters - if you have the luxury to choose.
And the only priest you see is TLÃ,´s offspec alt who joined the raid later.

DPS:
15 seconds into the fight, BQL "bites" 3rd person on threat table, giving it 100% damage buff. After 1 minute this person ceases to do any damage and needs to bite another person, who will get the buff, too. Once that person gets bitten (within 10 seconds), you now have 2 "vampires" doing 100% damage. After another minute, both of these need to bite other person. Same repeats after another minute and another... So in ideal case 1 person has the buff during (almost) whole fight, another one has it 4 minutes, another 2 for 3 minutes, another 4 for 2 minutes, another 8 for 1 minute
So basically if you do low DPS, you are unlikely to get the buff soon which makes the DPS difference between top and bottom even higher  than it would be on normal fights like Festergut.

[DFE]

Yes, but even with [ITEM=71532]Essence of the Blood Queen[/ITEM] some people weren't getting over 6k DPS.
In ToC gear you should be at 6k DPS, surely?

Are you sure this number is for people who had the buff for at least for 25% of the fight? It seems to me way too low.

And dont forget that people with 6K were actually doing 5.2K + 15% ICC buff.
Yes, this needs to be addressed.

[Leemo]

Even though we didn't make the kill, I still regarded it, and this discussion, as a step forward.

In earlier weeks, we weren't on top of the Friendly Fire and air phase at all, we seem to have made significant progress on that.

[DFE]

Indeed, I saw very few deaths due to Bloodbolt Splash in logs. good job.