CRAZY motorcycle rider!

[Snokio]

With regards to the video posted, if this guy was caught doing this in the uk, do you think he would keep his licence? Although the video may make it look faster, he is still going too fast to react, and in some cases had no where else to go. Its not a question of 'if' but when he kills himself or someone else, if he rides like that all the time, id rather wish he crashes and burns on his own rather than for it to happen to an inocent motorist.

That also applies to car drivers, which i will find and post a video

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[Penfold]

I have no problems with bikes or bikers and certainly not if they're trying to get to the front of the queue. I used to have a bike (stopped when I went just one too many over muppets' bonnets as they pulled out on me) and still have many friends that do. I've also buried friends who have been killed on bikes. I always pull to side the side when I see a biker coming and usually get that gratifying small wave from the left hand in the process. Please don't presume to tell me I have a wrong attitude about bikers.

I take more issue with your 'condoning' of what he's doing.

Seriously though, i wouldnt do that on an R1, its far to slow. If you look closely in the mirrors when he wheelies, you can see me right on his tail waving from my Honda Fireblade

For a DSA qualified instructor and 'advanced' rider it doesn't quite seem like the right viewpoint to me.

Driving at that speed on a bike is reckless. I don't particularly care is he's the most skilled-biker in the world, it's plain unacceptable as it's plain unacceptable for people to be driving cars recklessly doing their hair, make-up etc etc.

Anyway onward and upward

[smilodon]

Out of interest I showed this video to a friend who is a Police Class 1 driver and rider and a serving police officer. He watched it a couple of times and commented that the camera made the speed look a lot higher than it was.

However he identified seven points where the rider 'lost control of the ride'. they were at times 0:59 1:35 1:44 4:07 4:33 6:13 6:21. Plus his lane choices were 'all over the place' I'm semi quoting him :

He survived because at several points where he ran out of options an opening appeared which he couldn't have foreseen before it happened. Also there were two occasions where the ride nearly ended but for the fact that car drivers didn't complete their maneuver. Had they committed the rider would again have been out of options and would have had to have attempted an emergency stop, with no guarantee it would have saved him. There was one moment where indeed only an emergency stop prevented a low speed collision. Had the driver made the maneuver a second later the emergency stop would have failed.

Finally for much of the filtering down the center of the road and all the filtering between lanes two and three the rider wasn't considering pedestrians who might be crossing between the stationary traffic or other bike riders who might have appeared between the cars to begin filtering themselves.

"A safe ride needs the rider to have 'time'. If he has 'time' then no matte how fast he is riding he can anticipate and revise his ride as road conditions change. At far to many points the R1 rider didn't have enough time to plan and or react and so lost control of his ride. He was then depending only on luck. And that's no way to ride a bike fast."

My friend would have had two advantages over that rider. First blues and twos and second years of training and experience that the rider obviously didn't have. At some points my friend would have ridden faster but at many others he would not have gone as quick. To be honest almost the whole ride would have been spent out on the center line and he would never have ridden lane two and three at all. Out in the middle of the road is the best place to see and be seen.

So in summary "A good rider who can handle his bike but one who is willing to rely on luck to see him safely through a high speed ride. he knows when to ride fast and sometimes when to ride slow. However sometimes isn't good enough."

Here endeth the lesson

[Snokio]

......and to prove that there are car drivers that ARE JUST AS BAD:
 

As a car driver, I feel exactly the same as I do with the bike rider
 

[Benny]

Now THAT is cool...

I am of course being a twat, that's just as bad, tossers and I hope they peel their teeth out of the dashboard.

[Slider 46]

Penfold ol' chap. I do think its a little unfair to quote my first post as it was obviously in jest (ive never ridden in Moscow :narnar:). Also i do state previous that i wasnt agreeing with this fellows riding. What i have been saying in a somewhat sarcastic roundabout way is that i dissagree with some comments made against him. I'll make this my last post on the matter and abit more direct.

There is an attitude, and i wont be told otherwise, from the MAJORITY of car users that anyone on two wheels is a danger and a hooligan no matter how fast they go.

 I 'make progress' on my bike but i havnt had an accident since i was 17. Im not slow and i dont sit in traffic but can i be that  'lucky' for 26 years?No. (oh, and ive also taught traffic cops) Im also one of the few people i know with a clean license and its been that way for 20 years. I do know for a fact that the view is much better, i do knowfor a fact that experience and attention will allow you to see what others are going to do in time to react and i do know that fast riding doesnt mean you will die or kill anyone else by the fact that im still alive and so is every other person ive overtaken.
 This is why i posted in the first place, or rather the second post. Not to condone this guy but the threads overal response followed the usual uneducated response from folks who dont ride or cant ride confidently and safely at speed. Some people can and most cant. My experience tells me whats goin on here, your experience is a video that isnt half as bad as it seems.

As an example from memory as ive not watched it again, the guy does cross a pedestrain crossing. The camera makes it look bad as you tend to think, 'jesus, that was a crossing he just shot over and every one has stopped there, he could of mown someone down' but in reality, he can see over the cars at any pedestians that may be about and we cant see if the lights have changed or not. They may still be red but we dont know that, yet it is still viewed as bad and the biker gets another cross against him.
Just a Smile's police dude points out there are some dodgy bits, there are also alot of bits that you will view as bad when they arent. As he also says, the camera makes it look alot faster than it is.
The last few min's of the vid looks like he is filtering very fast in slow moving traffic. That bike will do almost 90mph in first gear. He is not even reaching half revs before he shuts the throttle and gets on the brakes so probably no faster that 40mph. Lets call it 50mph. A touch quick really but not life threatening by the time he has reacted and slowed down before he hits something. Considering the bike will do 0-60 in under 2.5 secs from standing, he has the option of accelerating into clear areas as well as braking when things dont go his way. Again, its not as bad as doing 50 in a 30 limit in a car that takes four times longer to stop past a school is it?



My defense of this guy is against the 'i wish he was dead' or ' i would punch him through the window' attitude as its unfair yet usual from MOST car drivers who simply dont have the experience to understand what they are seeing. Especialy when they approve and indulge in in the multitude of dangerous attention grabbing devices that are part of a modern car and fail to use the saftey devices like mirrors and indicators or even look.
How many times have you heard "oh i wouldnt pass my car test if i had to do it again"?  Try asking your friends without bias and see how many say they wouldnt pass.:blink:  Well if they cant drive to the DSA standard then they shouldnt be driving at all and maybe they should be banned along with this guy?
To sum up.... pot, kettle, black?:g:

Thanks Snokio for taking the time to find the car vid' but it wasnt needed for my point. I do think thats alot worse than the bike though, lol.

Benny.... :roflmao:


I'll shut up now.
Right, im off to use my dsa qualifications to teach some couriers how to be tarmac terrorist :norty:  
(That was a little lighthearted joke just for you Pen' :narnar: )

[smilodon]

I'm a bike rider Gpz 900, ZZR1100, although currently I have to be sensible and stick to a cheap car. Truth is there are dreadful drivers and there are decent drivers who become dreadful whenever they come within 100m of a motorcyclist.

Comments about the rider killing themselves are I imagine in preference to him killing someone else. Like anyone who is happy to put someone else's life at risk on the road my first hope is that they decide to give up completely and go buy a bus pass. Failing that I hope when they do have their inevitable serious accident it happens on a quite country road with no one else about.