Baleroc, the Gatekeeper - Defeated 24/07/11

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TeaLeaf

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JonnyAppleSeed

We need to overlap healing so that 2 healers are covering the tank at all times. One thing I can do is blow tree form at the start and instacast like hell on the torment. The stacks I get should carry me thu to the end of the fight just healing the tank making rotation super simple. It may be enough to boost the stacks and get us enough heals for the 90% hits
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TeaLeaf

One thing worth looking at is the timing of healing on Decimate.  Limited number of strikes, time to heal up in between, if stacks are there we should be ok.
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Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

JonnyAppleSeed

QuoteThis boss requires managing two buffs that are mutually exclusive in that they cannot be up at the same time. These power aura exports will let you track your Vital Spark and Vital Flame buffs. Note: i spend like 30 sec making them so the graphics sux, u can switch them to whatever you want.

Vital Spark:
Version:4.21; icon:INV_Elemental_Mote_Fire01; buffname:Vital Spark; x:-317; raid:true; texture:13; mine:true; inVehicle:0; stacksOperator:>; ismounted:0; timer.enabled:true; timer.x:-415; timer.ShowActivation:true; stacks.enabled:true; stacks.x:-219

Vital Flame:
Version:4.21; icon:INV_Elemental_Primal_Fire; buffname:Vital Flame; x:-325; texture:6; mine:true; timer.h:2.29; timer.enabled:true; timer.x:-215
 

Ill have a try at adding these for sunday
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JonnyAppleSeed

Ok so healing rotation......First of all healers are going to pop into a seperate TS (cause we are special)

example 1

Fight start  all Healing on Tank. When the torment starts one healer will start to gain stacks at 15 stacks the rotation will start (probs me as i can gain stacks super quick in tree form) then we change each 2nd roatoation of vital flame


Jas           Torment       >>>Tank>>> >              Tank>>>>>>                Torment
Slush    Tank>>>                Torment>>>     Tank>>>>>>                 Tank
Puja       Tank>>>>                 Tank>>>>>                 Torment>>>>       Tank

If thats not enough to gain stacks in time for the blade attack then

Example 2

Jas       Torment, >>>>Full time on the tank (Using a fast stack method at the start for 30 secs)
Slush   Tank,>>>>>Torment
Puja     Torment,>>>>Tank
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Ranualf

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JonnyAppleSeed

After a few wipes and Healers getting very mixed up on rotation we went down the route of 1 Healer full-time on Tank ... Other 2 alternate as vital flame drops off. I took the first torment and managed to get 50+ stacks as the first torment finished Then we began the vital flame rotation. A countdown of vital flame on ts was a must. Mana wise its tight, so when healing the tank you can find huge chunks of time where Uber Phat heals are not needed. Raid Regen cooldowns blown asap. All healing cooldowns saved for decimation blade phases
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Slush


Tirkad

As Jas already said, we got a kill with Jas stacking up a lot in the start and then going full time on the tank, while me and Amber were alternating on tormented people and tank.
I'll make a few in depth consideration here, since i think this can be made a lot easier with an holy pally in the raid. In one of the last tries, i got more than 100 stacks of the buff, and just my heals from the beacon (50% of the direct heal) while i was healing the tormented targets was about as high as Jas' biggest heal (beacon of light 90k, healing touch 110k). That means that in the whole last phase Jas was acting like an healer with the tormented debuff on, spending WAY more mana than needed to do the job.
On the last attempts, i deviated slightly from the usual strategy: in the first minute i waited a few seconds before going back on the tank when called, so i could get more stack (of course i was checking the decimating strike cooldown). In addition, i started with jas getting my stacks up, since in the start the tank is very easy to heal. This tactic worked out for the best, but we were very tight on mana in the end, and just a couple of seconds more could have leaded to a 1% wipe.
This strategy will work once every healer will have the 2p t12 bonus, and thus a better mana regen, but until then i suggest a new strategy.
What i was thinking about is one healer (holy pally would be best becouse of the beacon) full time on tormented people (let's call him H1) while the other 2 healers are alternating on the tank (H2 and H3). H1 will get back on tank only to help on decimating strikes, while H2 and H3 will never have to change their rotation. When the boss will be at about 20%, H1 will be full time on tank untill the boss dies.
This very simple tactic will allow to avoid 2 major issues that were happening tonight, both due to a bad timing swap (can't help it, the healers are bound to the buff cooldown): swap just after decimating blow, and swap with an half dead tormented person high on stacks. In fact, the tank will be covered with the best heals around during the topping off after decimating, and the healing team will be at its full power during the last part of the fight, where the mana is low and we need the heaviest heals. As experienced on the kill, it's ok for 2 healers to start the fight on the tormented people for a bit more, to allow them to build some more stacks.
Again, this is what i understood from the fight (it was the first time for me tonight) but it seems the best way to do it, since as i said in the start of this post Jas was heavily burdened in the end by the low amount of stacks.
So, resuming up:
0:00 - 0:30
H3 on tank, H1 and H2 on tormented people stacking the buff up.
0:30 - 1:00
H2 on tank, H1 and H3 on tormented people stacking the buff up.
1:00 - end
H2 and H3 will swap normally (every 15 secs)
On decimating blades
H1 will go healing the tank to help the temporary healer topping the tank and securing eventual impending swaps. After 15 secs he will be back on raid
Last 20-30%
H1 will be permanently on the tank with the other healers still swapping in and out.

Of course this is just my point of view that may be biased by playing an holy paladin. But i'd like to know what do you think about it, and if you think it may work out better than the strategy we used for the kill.

Grimnar

Well i think i don't have much say for this boss fight at all, but here it goes.
 
It was my first time there yesterday and first try was me getting used to stuff and yes i went to far on stacks.....
So after that i knew when and what to do on the right time.
 
So for any new people around there who are going to do this fight, if you are in the crystal rotation move when you have 8 stacks (normal rotation) with that it means you will get nr 9 when moving out and the next person takes over. (i failed at that point as i moved when i was at 9...)
 
For the rest it is a dps race and it is easy to do, the dps "crystal" rotation have one thing to make sure that happens and that is that the correct person steps in at the correct time. If that rotation goes well it will be a kill if the healers (who have the hardest part of the fight) can keep the tank up.
 
So in short dps the hell out of the boss and keep the "crystal" rotation going.
 
Helping healers:  If you are a dps and able to help out the healers with an innervate or any mana regen then use that, they will like it and need it!
 
 
 
I just like to say aswell:
 
Well done to the healers who where there yesterday, a job well done! Also thanks to the rest of the group ofcourse without us all it wouldn't be a kill.
and it is good to be slowly back raiding ;)

Ranualf

was a pure awsome fight

the healing rotation every 15 secs is tight- esp with a decimation blade timer neatly cutting into the rotation- if this is the case jas called out when it was due.
Me and tirk worked on the calls of 10 secs with a 5,4,3,2 on tank / on torment change call which worked damn well- COMMUNICATION IS A KEY FACTOR !
the fact we had our own TS channel worked great and the dps sorted it out after a few 50%+ wipes, and we quickly saw the % dropping to 40, 30 20 15 then we bagged him !

overall its a quite complex fight, but after watching several videos on the fight and having a good 10 min chat with other healers and TL, we thrashed out a plan !

We used power infusion, heroism, and jas in tree form so he got a major headstart on the healing front- and oh boy it was needed !
when the decimation blade comes in- tank looses 90% hp- yup it hurt, yea he gets a +20% increasing hp stack, but the boss gets a +20% magic damage output... its a tight race and you will need to blow every mana regen trinket/ regen to get to the finish line- even then me, tirk and jas were on 10% or less mana at the end- if one person makes a mistake :taz:its dead dead dead !:taz:

but it all came together, and was a pure win moment when he went down- i only looked up for his %bar to see him at 3% - and though -yea gotcha  !

on a side note- the staff that dropped isnt in the loot tables off either atlas loot or the in game journel.... jas u lucky .....:busted:
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Grimnar

Quote from: Amberleigh;329444on a side note- the staff that dropped isnt in the loot tables off either atlas loot or the in game journel.... jas u lucky .....

it is a shared boss loot item :p  so any boss can drop it.

Ranualf

Quote from: ice hawk;329446it is a shared boss loot item :p  so any boss can drop it.

:taz::taz:noeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees !!!:taz::taz:
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Grimnar

Here is a vid on how we did it last time. Should be helpfull for the dps front. It doesn't show the healers their job but it is somewhat the same as for the dps front.
If one of them makes a mistake it is a wipe. (counts for both fronts)

[YOUTUBEHD]UQGpIOD4btQ[/YOUTUBEHD]


The vid has no music so you can hear TS better.

Azunai

or Garrit, or Torgen. Also, Livestream.