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BrotherTobious

#30
March 16, 2012, 08:05:05 AM
This is great news, glad he could help out :)

In regards to him doing OP's sign him up , of course where is the question?

Do RG need/want another healer?
Do BG need/want another healer?

Does he have a preference which group he would like to join?

I think the first 2 questions needs to answered, then we can talk to Gromit.  

So RG & BG leaders you thoughts please.
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JanuZ

#31
March 16, 2012, 10:31:58 AM
I actually prefer it if people aren't set in the roles and are ready to switch healing/DPS or tanking/DPS if needed. Not everyone has to but it is better when people can do this since we can live with fewer people. At the moment I think RG needs one more person, preferably with Healer as main spec. While I think Gromit might be a great fit if he can regularly make it both nights ( know him in RL and not sure if he can ) but the problem is what class he is.

At the moment the class balance for us is

3/2 Sith Inquisitor
3 Sith Warriors
1/2 Imperial Agent
2 Bounty Hunters

We have a decent balance across the advanced classes as well with 1 of each class except Juggernaut and Sorcerer where we have 2. Gromit is a Sorcerer which causes some problems mostly with distribution of loot both reducing the amount of loot Inquisitors get but also causing a lot more of loot to not be usable ( at the moment Twyster is almost full rakata and has spare of a few pieces because he has been the only IA ).
But this is will be a problem for blue group as well since they have an imbalance as well with the ammount of inquisitors.

Just a note for you that looting in hard modes is back to rolling for items, not like normal mode where loot is assigned to players.

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BrotherTobious

#32
March 16, 2012, 10:47:51 AM
Quote from: Drazila;346793Just a note for you that looting in hard modes is back to rolling for items, not like normal mode where loot is assigned to players.

Thanks for the heads up for this.

It is a fair point with people being able to swtich and with dual spec coming soon ish this is going to be a help.
"It's hard, but not as hard as Arma!!!" Tutonic
"Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon.." Terry Pratchett

Sharpfang

#33
March 22, 2012, 03:36:53 PM Last Edit: March 22, 2012, 05:34:18 PM by Sharpfang
for todays run, if we are swapping people around within the groups, can i please have bombafett,krakenz,nystråla and myself in the blue group? were RL m8s and would love to get a operation run together.
as long as it doesnt screw the balance too bad ofc

edit: just tried to call Bombafett, he didnt respond, so Grimnar, its a fair chance were gonna need ure tanking skills.

Vargen

#34
March 28, 2012, 12:35:48 PM
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BrotherTobious

#35
March 28, 2012, 03:06:58 PM
Anyone spoken to Grommit about going on to the RG ?
"It's hard, but not as hard as Arma!!!" Tutonic
"Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon.." Terry Pratchett

Vargen

#36
March 28, 2012, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: BrotherTobious;347633Anyone spoken to Grommit about going on to the RG ?

I've mentioned it to him, but nothing official.
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BrotherTobious

#37
March 28, 2012, 03:43:10 PM
Well it seems that it is being discussed in the open forum.  And I think it would be better if we had suggested and asked to confrim rather than he find out this way.  Also with the comment he has been left of BG and doesnt know that he should be in RG, he seems a little upset.
"It's hard, but not as hard as Arma!!!" Tutonic
"Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon.." Terry Pratchett

JanuZ

#38
March 28, 2012, 03:52:14 PM
There was discussion of him joining RG but we had never said that he was moved. the reason he is added to this weeks runs is not only because we are talking about him coming over but also because he wasn't on the rosters for this week in BG. I am still not sure if it is a good move permanently.

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BrotherTobious

#39
March 28, 2012, 04:05:09 PM
Well we need to make a decision and a perment one cause it is not really fair to him to be floating, and missing out on being rotated in to BG OP.

Over all I think he would be best in RG as that means you have a extra healer, I understand the whole gear thing, but I think the fact you have 3 healers is more of a piroity as recently it been a little close to people not being able to make it.

RG Leaders can you please let DC know by tomorrow before, OP if we move him to RG, or he becomes BG.  

Then we can let him know what is going on and hopefully he is still up for doing OP's
"It's hard, but not as hard as Arma!!!" Tutonic
"Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon.." Terry Pratchett

JanuZ

#40
March 28, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
Well my point was that he should have been in BG rotation already until a decision was made, he is a member of BG until it is said that he is in RG.

"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." G. K. Chesterton

Sharpfang

#41
March 28, 2012, 11:44:10 PM
BG doesnt need 4 healers. The 3 original healers are more than enough seeing as they show up every time. If RG only has 2, the discussion is not needed, if he can come the days that RG runs.

Last week nystråla filled in for RG cause u were short when gromit was online. I really dont see the problem here, any particular reason u dont want gromit in? it takes a few days to get him up to speed running hm's gearwise.

I hope this is not turning towards that RG wants to pick the best geard healer from our group, cause thats not right at all.

Vargen

#42
March 29, 2012, 09:57:17 AM
Gear isn't an issue, and we certainly don't want to "pick the best geard healer" from BG or any other player based on gear. It was simply a case of us not wanting to do anything without your approval.

As far as what players we take into RG gear is the least of our worries. Player skill, commitment and attendance is what is important. If we take in member from BG, this would be only vie approval from BG leaders and the council. With a permanent addition to RG I think the only thing of discussion in the near future will be sharing of reserves between groups.

On the matter of Gromit specifically. He is under geared, yes, but this is a minor issue that is easily solved with some personal effort and support from the group. My concern with him is his lack of experience in MMOs and raiding in general. Don't get me wrong, I know Gromit IRL and he is a great guy, and he sure seems to put in the effort. He already has a stockpile of stims, does HM FPs for gear and seems motivated. Previous raid experience and knowledge about his own class is my main concerns. We give him a fair chance to get to where he needs to be, and see how it goes.

Being on that chain of thought already, moving on to Nightmare modes Soon^TM RG will have to have a certain level of skill in the group. I guess this goes for BG to some extent as well. We can't let the whole group suffer for the sake of 1 person that cannot cut it. It all comes down to what level you want to be at. There is no such thing as casual-nightmare mode.
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JanuZ

#43
March 29, 2012, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: Sharpfang;347684BG doesnt need 4 healers. The 3 original healers are more than enough seeing as they show up every time. If RG only has 2, the discussion is not needed, if he can come the days that RG runs.

Last week nystråla filled in for RG cause u were short when gromit was online. I really dont see the problem here, any particular reason u dont want gromit in? it takes a few days to get him up to speed running hm's gearwise.

I hope this is not turning towards that RG wants to pick the best geard healer from our group, cause thats not right at all.

Nystråla stepped in because we were missing a DPS and to get a group together I respecced DPS so that nystråla could stay in the spec he is used to. Gromit could not join for that run because he didn't have the minimum health required for the boss we were at. Required health for Bonethrasher is minimum 15k and Gromit did not have that when Nystråla joined us and that is the only boss we could try at that time(except Soa who is harder and has the same Health requirement). The only reservations outside of what Varg said is the fact that we already have 2 sorcs and an assassin and it skews class balance even more. Gromit can join right now for 4-7 diffrent bosses with his current gear and that is why we asked if he could join for this weeks runs in RG.

The other point is that we will not say that anyone that is registered on the BG roster is a RG member unless the Council and BG clearly say that he is a member of RG and Gromit is on the BG roster partially due to the fact that you were missing a healer on your first run and he was online.

"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." G. K. Chesterton

BrotherTobious

#44
March 29, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
No one is choosing the best of any thing.  If a member wants/needs/should be moved to RG or BG  then as Varg and Drazilla said it will be discussed with all parties concerned, at the final descion will rest with The Dark Council.

The reason I made my post is that Gromit did not seem to impressed with BG roster as he is not it, and I was not sure where we were with him as I had asked Varg to talk to RG about gromit joining RG because that BG has 4 healers.  There were some concerns either way yes or no, my  view is he would help with numbers.  

What I really want is an answer is he BG or RG,  so he can be rotated in and out whichever team.  By reading Vargs points, he is worried that he is not up to the amount of commitment needed and how he plays his class.  Drazilla point about have x amount of people that will be wanting the same amount of gear.  Gear is not really a issue imho for getting it as vargen has pointed out.

As if it doesnt work out and he needs to replaced or asked to step aside due to he isnt skilled enough or is the right fit then we will have to but this should also be taken in to account with the decision.  

So lets do this, RG leaders, I need a yes or no answer for Gromit joining you.  BG Leaders I need a yes or no you are still happy for him to join RG.

Whatever team he ends up with I would like to see him on the roster asap :)

I can see this might take longer than the time limit to sort out, but I would like to get this sorted at the latest by the next roster posting. As he has helped us out.  

Thanks for all your input guys
"It's hard, but not as hard as Arma!!!" Tutonic
"Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon.." Terry Pratchett
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