3rd raid grp

[Switchback]

I think its great what you are doing Sneaky but it is alot of work.

As you say we are getting more and more people into the guild as socials but want to raid. Also when a new expac comes out alot of the "older" players come back also. So it could be quite viable.

Im gona be busy with Grim and Mario running RGW but if you need a hand with anything give me a shout.


So to all the new socials/want to raid peeps....post your interest here so we can see what numbers we are looking at.

[Sneakytiger]

i've decided to start it as a social raid grp first and see how we do, so plz, whisper me in game if your intrested and we will see if we can get a ds10 socail grp together before mop hits.

[Arcticfire]

Im not begin negative about the whole idea, not at all I highly encourage it.
I just have the idea that you think its easier then it really is, I can know caus I made that mistake when trying to set up RGW

[Sneakytiger]

heres the RGZ SET UP for mop, please let me know what spot your intrested in.
Tanks: deadstop dk if needed.

Healers:


Ranged DPS: bamby or bigbadd

[Bellanie]

put me down for heals on Bell!

[Midd]

I'm hoping to get a spot on either of the main raid teams, but whilst I'm waiting for that I'll happily come along and heal on Midd (resto druid) for you if needed.

[J1nx80]

Im new to the guild along with midd both experienced raiders id like to come along as a tank - monk.
If it stays social raiding only I would say that if a spot arose on the main team I would take it.

[Sneakytiger]

it will start as social i'm looking at friday nights, we will start in mop.
its all good, more the merrier.

[hermioneg]

it will start as social i'm looking at friday nights

so you have 2 options :

RGF where F= friday   :lmfao:
RGS where S= social   :roflmao:

I propose a vote by the entire guild!!

i vote for RGF!!

[Bellanie]

I vote for no name for now, until things sorted and we know what's what. And how many people we have etc and that this whole venture I going to work.
Sent from my Lumia the light of my life.....

[Ranualf]

well i have several chars, who could fill the slots for you.
So if you need a tank, healer, ranged or melee dps, i can come along, and fill a slot.

[TeaLeaf]

I think we're talking non-raid people initially Amber as the dates would almost certainly clash with one or other raid group.  At the moment it seems clear there are not enough to form an additional raid group.  We will of course continue to organise social raids for non-raid nights and it would be nice to see several groups forming in MoP once we have levelled up alts to play with.

[Davemk]

At one stage, I was looking to head back into raiding but to be honest, i'm not really all that sure that I want to now.  It seems like it's just become too much hard work all around.  However, if I did decided I wanted to raid a bit again, it would be mage DPS for me.
I also think that maybe a change over in the other groups might not hurt.  Firstly, it's just plain nice to have a change every now and then and play with different people.  The other reason, with set groups, it gives absolutely no chance for other/new people to raid (especially if "RG3" doesn't happen) and you could end up missing out on very good raiding players.  My opinion on this is to hold 'auditions' when people are ready and go from there.  I kinda feel that picking the raid groups now, before the expansion is even released is jumping the gun.  Talent trees are changing and new gear will be about when people are ready to raid so why not give everyone an equal chance of raiding?  I'll be honest, i came back because i liked the look of MoP and wanted to give raiding a go but at the moment, i'd just be wasting my time even thinking about it.  
Anyway, that's my little bit over and done with (for now)!!

[Milli]

Raid groups have been picked to try and balance the tier groups as evenly as possible.  Officers and raid leaders in guild have put an awful lot of work into organising raids and their respective raid groups so am sure every angle has been looked at and covered.  It's not as if they just pick any player or character am sure they look at it from multiple angles.

[TeaLeaf]

At one stage, I was looking to head back into raiding but to be honest, i'm not really all that sure that I want to now.  It seems like it's just become too much hard work all around.  

I'm not really sure what you mean by that Dave?   Raiding is one of the few parts of the game that does require effort, precisely because of the shared responsibility with the rest of the team.

I think you have raised some valid concerns though Dave, so if I may be allowed to speak for the rest of Council I'll try to outline how we see things.  I'll start off by saying that we're by no means ruling out additional raid groups, but we are realistic about what it takes to run one.

Most people simply do not understand the time & effort that goes into ensuring that the raid members have a fun and productive evening.   The raid leaders & officers spend more time out of the raids doing the planning & administration than we ever do in the raid killing bosses.   There's a ratio of about 2:1, Admin to Play time whilst we're farming our way through content and once we get back into progression raiding it scales to about 3:1.  With that in mind the raid leaders and officers have been planning how to make MoP raiding successful for a considerable period of time.  Again, to give people an idea of how much work has gone in to the planning stage, the first post in our MoP planning discussion was started on 15th April 2012 at 03:20 PM.   We've really tried hard to make this work for everyone, to suit people's raid days, to remove the class imbalances in the raid groups, the balance the tier token groups, etc.   This planning had to be done in advance of MoP and any new raid group would need not only sufficient bodies to fill the group, but also a sufficient support infrastructure.

In my opinion, it would be slightly daft to level up to 90 in MoP and only then open discussions about raiding, who can raid, which day to raid, which classes we need, etc.  You might well have wished to play a mage, but you might have then got to L90 and found 5 other mages, 4 tanks and no healers ready to form a raid group with you.   That would be a disaster, so clearly planning is required and that is what we have worked so hard to deliver so that people can immediately start exploring Mogu'shan Vaults when they become available.  

You're right that it is nice to play with different people from time to time, however that ignores the fact that the raid groups are designed to accommodate members' requirement to raid on different evenings.   Most of the raid cannot switch to other raid nights and still meet the attendance requirements of the relevant group.  That's why we run social raids at the weekends where we get to experience the social diversity within the guild.   If sufficient people show interest in a 3rd raid group then we will look at how to best support it, but it does not mean that we kick existing raiders out to give someone else a go.

The current structure does allow the chance for new people to raid, but it does not mean that everyone will get a chance to raid immediately they re-activate their account.   There are other considerations, like for example when you noted your wish to raid on a mage both raid groups already had two mages in each of them!  

A new expansion always increases interest in the game, but unfortunately we have had a few people return to WoW in recent weeks who have shown an interest in raiding but not realised that these things are planned a little further ahead.  If the numbers of interested people are there, then we'll see what can be done about a 3rd raid group.   Otherwise it will be down to waiting for a spot to become available in the appropriate raid group.    Active guild members who have levelled their toon, geared them properly for the content they have access to and demonstrated their ability to perform by participating in the social raids we run and talking with other members on Teamspeak will then be noticed and considered when a raid spot opens up.  Some current raiders can attest to this system as they were Social members and are now Raid members.

I hope that this helps explains things for you, but please let me know if you have any other questions.