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[T-Bag]

The second option is that MS really look this reveal event literally. Its an 'Xbox' reveal. Not a games reveal. So, they showed the console. They showed the controller, kinect, and what the console does by itself. They barely showed any games, because it was a reveal for the hardware, not the software.  Now, if this is the case, although I don't think it was the best idea, maybe they can have some hope left for E3. If they really bring the big guns there, then maybe they can recover some ground. We need to see all of these exclusives with GAMEPLAY (not just the naff trailers like we had for Forza and Quantum Break) looking tip top and breathtaking. If they can manage to pull that off (and I would seriously doubt it) then maybe they can pull ahead.

That's not an excuse. If they wanted to hold off on the actual game footage they could have shown some tech demos showing just what is possible and then shown the games at E3....gamers would have been fine with that.

As far as comparing PC prices to console prices. It's hardly a fair comparison. My PC is a couple of years old but has a hefty overclock and looks like it'll outperform the XBO when it launches. If I bought my current system on launch day of the One it'd probably be around twice the price of the console. That should be the end of it right? £800 vs £400, doesn't compete. Unless you factor in that you're going to need a PC anyway. I suppose I could make do with a £400 computer for my work...so that's the difference right there. My rig has a freeview tuner built in so I can set up TV shows to record etc etc, just like the xbox. I've hooked it up to my TV so I can watch any TV show or movie I've got downloaded or streamed, or even old fashioned stuff like DVD and blu-ray.

Then there's game costs. Within the first 6 months, PC: typically about £20. Console £40. Within the first year on sale, typically £10-15, console £35-40. If you take into account the large number of steam sales and humble bundle pay what you want type sales, the average PC game cost for me is probably around £5. There's no running expenses either. If I want to play counterstrike online I load it up, no subscription or anything. Compared to £32 a year for xbox live.

Add on to that the fact that a PC can play any PC game you own. I've got commander keen (23 years old) and I can fire that up if I feel like it. If you've got a copy of Black ops 2 on 360 you won't be able to play it. It wouldn't even be a year old. So basically it's not a fair comparison at all. Console owners will have a handful of £50 games to chose from at launch, whereas PC gamers with have their entire back catalogue of hundreds of games they own all still there, and if they bought a reasonable rig within the last 2 years, possibly a more powerful system.  They're able to jump online into games for free, and when they quit out they have a fully functioning machine to do their work on, watch TV shows and movies or whatever else. It really is a no brainer for me.

Kinect is nice, but I'd rather have Oculus Rift, or Leap motion.

[ArithonUK]

Pre-built Intel Core i5 PC from eBuyer £250 with monitor, keyboard & mouse. nVidia GTX660 from eBuyer £150. Windows 8 £49. Gaming rig = £450.

Console £499, TV £275, second controller £40. Console price = £800+

Anyone who says consoles are cheaper is glossing over a lot and exaggerating the PC costs. Plus of course, with this generation of consoles, there's DRM, (on the PS4 as well) so no trade-in and no second-hand games. Every game will hit you for £50-60.

My current PC cost £800 in 2010  (which was pretty extreme then) and all I have bought since is a 256GB SSD and a GTX660 card (£280 in three years). It runs everything on maximum settings just dandy.

Will is running my 2008 AMD X2 6000 and that runs BF3 okay on medium settings and Al runs BF3 on High settings on his Intel box my office threw out. Just add £60 GFX and "presto!" gaming rig.

We hear the same old "PC's are obsolete" and "PC gaming is dead" with every new console, and yet here we still are, gaming on PC's.

It's about preference, but don't let anyone kid you consoles are cheaper - they're not. The only claim they could truthfully make is "simpler".

I also own an XBOX 360 bought recently from eBay for £70 (now that's cheap) and a PS3 bought in 2008 for £300. The PS3 has cost the most in games and accessories than any other platform. Without trade-in I certainly wouldn't entertain the idea of the next generation of consoles. Just too damn pricey.

[Sneakytiger]

tbh i'm an xbox gamer/pc gamer always have been always will, heck i was a beta tester for xbox live.

you go one on about pc vs xbox , now tell me if i'm wrong but the nvidea gfx titan is somewhere in the £900 pound mark,when do we stop going 1 up all the time , oh yeah this gfx card can show so many trillian polycons a second, u know the human eye can only take in a certain amount of fps, the rest is wasted.i still have a 4 yr old pc that plays all the games we play fine, csgo,bf3,minecraft,wot,wow, etc all the games we play really dont need killer pcs to run them just fine.

[smilodon]

all the games we play really dont need killer pcs to run them just fine.

Isn't that the point. PC Gaming is cheap.

[Sneakytiger]

xbox one stuff from e3

price 429 for that u get xboxone console, pad and kinect 2.0.
so basically your getting the console and a 1080p camera.
plenty of exclusive games.
yes i know about the used game thing, but name a steam game u can buy used?
microsofts only doing what steam have been doing for ages.
has to be connected to the net, ok come on guys whats not connected nowadays from your mobile to your fridge has wifi these days.

oh btw just to slip in . WORLD OF TANKS XBOX 360!!! FTP.

[ArithonUK]

but name a steam game u can buy used?

Loads - go to GreenMan gaming.

Also,  $499= £332 which apparently, according to Microsoft, translates to £429! (even £332 +20% VAT still only equals £399!!) a £30 tax for being in the UK. That's a 9% surcharge. Add £40-50 for the second controller, £60-90 for each game and don't forget XBOX live subscription and I bet there isn't an HDMI cable in the box either.

Only men in tinfoil hats would now claim PC gaming is more expensive than consoles!

come on guys whats not connected nowadays from your mobile to your fridge has wifi these days

Would your fridge stop working if it didn't have WiFi? I think not. And even with "no service" my iPhone can manage Angry Birds and Solitaire - even multi-player BattleShips with Bluetooth....

Microsoft dug their own grave. And SONY came along with a spade that cost £100 less and filled it in. The spade will be available second hand AND has a trade-in value....

I'd say the first round goes to the PS4 and SONY.

A Kinect OFF switch, a price drop and losing the DRM are Microsoft's only realistic comeback.

[Chaosphere]

100% the first round goes to Sony.

Plenty do care about the used games and always online stuff (even if we are not amongst them). And the price difference just does it for me (and no doubt, many). I still see no reason to want a Kinect (having owned one already, and sold the piece of rubbish), so what on earth can justify the extra cost for me at the moment???

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[ArithonUK]

Build A Better-Than-Xbox-One/PS4 PC For £500... Rock Paper Shotgun Article. Funny.

[Sneakytiger]

go build a pc to combat a xbone or a ps4 microsoft still win, when u install windows on it, so basically microsoft win either way.

[BrotherTobious]

Ahh but you have choice you can install a game and then uninstall it and then throw it say Tut.  Or you can stick Ubuntu or Linux on it and play some steam games. True if you jump on with Windows, but it isnt as locked down or draconian or down right money grabbing than XBONE.  They say this is to work more like steam....... yeah I believe it when I see it hahah!!!!  No indie development !!  Sorry mate IMHO XBONE is XBDEAD.

It meant to be a Unit for everything.  Then why have they not stuck in a decent AV AMP and really have it as the hub of all.

My reedies are going towards my next upgrades, I dont have much love for the PS4 but from all the press I have read, it seems to be a more gamer friendly unit.

[Chaosphere]

I have some serious love for some of the Sony exclusive games. There are some real gems on that system... I will eventually pick up a PS4 I am sure, but I will certainly wait until the price drops!

[smilodon]

The simple questions I ask Are as a customer

what benefit do I get from having to be online when I play a single player game?
what benefit do I get for not being able to trade,share or sell a second hand game?
what benefit do I get for playing an additional £50 more than if i was a US citizen?]

How does this benefit me? How do the enhance my gaming experience? How is Microsoft serving me by adding these features at this price?

[Sneakytiger]

guys before every 1 kills of the xbox one before it even comes  out, let the dust settle.

i tend to remember that every 1 was gonna buy a ps3 over a xbox360 when it came out, how did that turn out again?

[Chaosphere]

Sneaky, sorry mate but you're remembering wrong. When the PS3 and 360 were announced, everyone ran a mile from the PS3 because of its ridiculous price (hence now why the PS4 I cheaper I think!). And let's also remember the 360 came out a full year before the PS3. The market at that time was massively, massively different. The last 7 years has changed gaming monumentally, one can't compare then and now in the slightest.

As for writing it off, I'm not ready to do that yet. Say what you will about Microsoft, but they aren't stupid (mostly). They have said time and time again they are in it for the long haul, and just because I think they seem to be dropping the ball now, doesn't mean they won't bounce right back later on. Who knows what they have planned down the road. However, at the moment, Sony are just one-upping them at every turn, you can't deny it. Just reading press reactions and polls on various websites show that the gamers are leaning heavily towards the PS4 at the moment.

Of course, not just gamers buy these consoles. I'll be interested to see what microsoft does to really try to pull everyone else into getting an Xbox. In addition, I'm curious to see the effect the current generation 'ecosystems' have on next gen console sales. I mean, Xbox Live and PSN are massive communities, and there is no denying that XBL simply demolishes the PSN in terms of its active (and paying!) members. MS knew what they were doing there, bundling a headset with the console (genius), and it was earnt them millions as a result. People love their friends lists, they love their achievements, and so on, so how much will this influence where the money goes?


I've stated before I don't have any intention of buying either console any time soon. First of, I simply can't afford it, when I already have a top notch PC to do my gaming on. So instead I'm really enjoying watching all of this from the sidelines, and will continue to do so. And I haven't even talked about the effect all of this will have on the PC market... its a fascinating time to be a gamer boys and girls...