1st Impressions

[Neys]

Hi main,

I have played LFS for some time, and now I'm playing AC. Don't know about pCARS, so someone else has to judge this

AC's pros (compared with LFS):
- very good physics including tyre model and force feedback
- laser scanned tracks
- you can drive real world cars and tracks
- modding possibilities: there are lots of high-quality track and car mods to choose from.

AC's cons (compared with LFS):
- poor game design. There are some very basic stuff missing making it hard for new-comers to get in touch with the game. My top 5 topics here:
    1. poor chat (you need to enable an mod-app for being able to chat in-game)
    2. poor session management (when qualify time is over, you won't be able to finish your lap, when race is over you are immediately sent to pits and confronted with a quite ugly race-over screen)
    3. poor race start (no false starts are possible) and poor pit lane modelling (automatic pit-limiter)
    4. poor timing functionality especially in multiplayer (the app 'ptracker' helps with this a bit, but still it is odd, that such a basic feature is missing here).
    5. poor netcode (even with pings below 100ms players often have visible lags)
- high demands on the PC (you need some up-to-date PC components for being able to run AC smoothly; I have a laptop with a mobile NVIDIA chip and there are some combos I am not able to run at all, also I have only limited graphics candies)
- options are only changeable in the launcher. Which is quite annoying...

That's all for now, I hope this helps... If you want to give AC a try, meet us at the DMR server, the busy days are Mondays and Wednesdays

[albert]

That's good info Neys. I'm not as experienced in racing cars but I can for sure observe the net performance and the transitional qualities of PCars. I've not really noticed anything too ugly but then again I've yet to complete a full race from setup through practice, qualifying and the actual race.

The dMw dedicated server was working fine for me last time I setup a game lobby on it and I raced the 78 Lotus F1 for a while getting a few publics joining me and we had a nice clear game. I was last lol.

[main]

Hi main,

I have played LFS for some time, and now I'm playing AC. Don't know about pCARS, so someone else has to judge this

AC's pros (compared with LFS):
- very good physics including tyre model and force feedback
- laser scanned tracks
- you can drive real world cars and tracks
- modding possibilities: there are lots of high-quality track and car mods to choose from.

AC's cons (compared with LFS):
- poor game design. There are some very basic stuff missing making it hard for new-comers to get in touch with the game. My top 5 topics here:
    1. poor chat (you need to enable an mod-app for being able to chat in-game)
    2. poor session management (when qualify time is over, you won't be able to finish your lap, when race is over you are immediately sent to pits and confronted with a quite ugly race-over screen)
    3. poor race start (no false starts are possible) and poor pit lane modelling (automatic pit-limiter)
    4. poor timing functionality especially in multiplayer (the app 'ptracker' helps with this a bit, but still it is odd, that such a basic feature is missing here).
    5. poor netcode (even with pings below 100ms players often have visible lags)
- high demands on the PC (you need some up-to-date PC components for being able to run AC smoothly; I have a laptop with a mobile NVIDIA chip and there are some combos I am not able to run at all, also I have only limited graphics candies)
- options are only changeable in the launcher. Which is quite annoying...

That's all for now, I hope this helps... If you want to give AC a try, meet us at the DMR server, the busy days are Mondays and Wednesdays

Thanks for comparsion Neys. So physics is better than LFS? Sounds good. What about damage model compared to LFS?

What about pCARS, I am guessing its more arcade? Anyone having played all three of them?

[Neys]

Thanks for comparsion Neys. So physics is better than LFS? Sounds good. What about damage model compared to LFS?

Ah forgot about this. There are two dimensions of damage model:

- physics side: in AC, body damage has significant impact on top speed and downforce (which is different to LFS AFAIK). There is also suspension damage modelled with similar effects than LFS, and you can damage your gearbox as well. I never had any clutch issues in AC, in contrast to LFS. Also flat spots are modelled and you get some wheel vibrations with flat spotted tyres. You won't be able to drive anymore after heavy impacts (total engine damage).

- visual damage: one of AC's weaknesses, because in multiplayer you only see damage of your car, and no damage is visualized for opponent cars. We hope that this will be addressed by the developers in the next release, though (they said they plan to "improve the multiplayer experience" whatever this means). Also the maximum amount of visual damage in AC is generally less than the one of LFS.

[albert]

Project Cars seems to have died a quick death on the dMw forums and the developers are now fund raising for PC2! I'm a bit baffled as to why. Anyone know?

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[Gav]

Project Cars seems to have died a quick death on the dMw forums and the developers are now fund raising for PC2! I'm a bit baffled as to why. Anyone know?

I guess they saw how quick they could make money, a quick look at the PC2 forum shows they have already raised £398,325.00 of their £7mil target in just 2 weeks or so since it was announced, not bad going!

[ReddFour]

Project Cars seems to have died a quick death on the dMw forums and the developers are now fund raising for PC2! I'm a bit baffled as to why. Anyone know?

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In my opinion pc1 could have been good but the number of bugs still present in it is ridiculous. The career mode just isn't worth playing. For this reason I wouldn't dream of helping to fund pc2. Such a shame.

[albert]

Do any of the original backers of PC1 actually play it? FatBob? TeaLeaf? You guys really championed PC and I was sort of hoping it would bloom into a viable dMw game. Any feedback?

[TeaLeaf]

I've been on it a limited amount and loved what I played.  My gaming time in recent months has been severely restricted though so I have not given it the run out  or time it deserves......yet.  But I will when the diary allows.

[FatBob]

It started out really well, interesting new tracks like the California highway 4 section run and the classics (although they never had the correct names, few laps of Northampton anyone !)


Loads of annoying bits on and between menus that changed every month and then ..nothing, everything just seemed to be left where it was and next thing I see its launched.


I had picked up AC by this point and IMO (even given the very fair negative points made by Neys on P2) it just feels so much better to drive, the cars really do feel alive through your wheel and pedals and the tracks are just so much better you can really feel the bumps and cambers and then the interaction between them both is spot on.

[Blindfury46]

Project Cars seems to have died a quick death on the dMw forums and the developers are now fund raising for PC2! I'm a bit baffled as to why. Anyone know?

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Because they can i guess. (have to ask why they need to crowd fund after just selling 1.2 million copy's + at £40 each)

If your prepared to work like an engineer for hour after hour on the force feedback settings (37 adjustment sliders for feedback alone per car/track) the game feels pretty sweet.

But flawed online much like ac. (both too much to list)

Once again lfs is the only finished game that allows close hard racing online for now. (eagerly awaiting patches sad face)

[TeaLeaf]

I hadn't even realised they were crowdfunding PC2. :blink:    

Shows you how out of the loop I have been...... :sad: