Forgive me father for I have sinned....

albert · November 25, 2018, 10:12:38 AM

I saw that actually and my problem is none of the nice bundles are mATX. I assume he will get a decent graphics card with all that nice core gear? I recall GFX being his bottleneck no?

Chaosphere · November 25, 2018, 05:20:15 PM

Quote from: Sneakytiger;435615aceymetrix is about to go for this deal on overclockers

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/promo-bundle-intel-core-i9-9900k-aorus-z390-master-aorus-16gb-rgb-ram-free-512gb-ssd-bu-02t-gi.html

i think its a fair deal .

It has one of the best cost / performance VRMs out there, and is perfectly capable of driving a 9900K, even overclocking to hell and back, without risking setting the house on fire

. Can't really go wrong with it, and if I was recommending an ATX board it would probably be that one for the fantastic performance balanced against its sensible price.

As I've said here, I think the 9900K is overpriced though. Of course it's a good CPU, but the price premium over the 9700K isn't justified by any significant performance gains. It will perform identically in games, every single time. I don't expect this to change any time soon, and you can read the nonsense I wrote about hyperthreading above if you'd like an explanation of my opinion there :roflmao: .

That said, if you don't care about spending a little too much on the CPU, then there isn't an issue.

Personally I'd prefer to get the 9700 or 8700 and with the money saved pair it with 32GB of ram. Although not necessary today, that's something that may offer some future proofing more than the 9900K, as it's far more likely we will start to take advantage of larger volumes of RAM than see numerous well optimised 8+ thread games over the next few years. Just my personal opinion though. I'd still recommend 16GB for those not looking to spend too much as it remains a very sensible option for now and at least the next couple of years.

TL;DR Great motherboard and good but overpriced CPU. RAM is fine. It'll make a great PC for him.

I won't start talking about graphics cards as I have almost as strong opinions there as I do on the manufacturers lying about their VRMs, and I've no time to open that can of worms right now :roflmao: . As Albert said though, he really should put something strong with it if he wants to game on it. I can't remember exactly what he has, but putting a 9900K with something like a 960 is madness! Madness!!! :norty:

albert · November 26, 2018, 08:09:36 PM

Quote from: Chaosphere;435598Don't believe the blurb manufacturers describe their products with, as always it is often misleading. Radiator fins are dense, and a fan needs to be able to push air against this resistance to remove heat effectively. The BeQuiet 120mm SW3 fans are designed to be quiet, not to perform well against resistance, and are rated at an air pressure of 1.79 mmH20 @ 2200 RPM (taken from their tech specs of BeQuiet's website). Compare that to Corsair's ML 120mm fans (designed for and sold with their radiators) that are rated for 4.2 mmH20 @ 2400 RPM. On paper this is a significant difference, and you'd be advised not to use fans with such a low static pressure on radiators. In practice, you may be able to get away with it, there are multiple variables in the equation.

Just to set the record straight, the fans on my H100 today are 1.6-7.7mm H2O for 2 fans or 0.8-3.85mm H2O for 1 fan according to the original documentation. The higher rpm version of the bequiet that I ordered are 3.37mm H2O per fan or 6.74mm H2O for the pair. The difference is close enough I think. Silencio FP120s would have actually improved the air pressure flow and even ended up slightly quieter than the BeQuiets but the BQs have some very nice rubber dampening. Not a lot in it.

PS Mobo turned up already and CPU/ RAM tomorrow. Mobo has a free copy of Assassin's Creed Odyssey as a promo, which is nice. Mobo is super solid, the weight and feel are awesome. Lot's of added parts, including a couple of rather large wifi antenna. I've been trying to find a front I/O panel that incorporates some additional USB2, 3.1 and maybe a C port, no luck so far. Although there is an authentic Corsair panel with 4 x 2 and 4 x 3 USB ports which may be my best shot albeit moving my USB3 speed to 460MBps.

Chaosphere · November 26, 2018, 10:01:24 PM

Ah, the high speed BeQuiet seem much better. These should be fine.

http://thermalbench.com/2016/10/21/be-quiet-silent-wings-3-120-mm-high-speed-fan/4/

They performed well here.

albert · November 30, 2018, 04:32:02 PM

Darn bought the wrong fans, no power control.

But on the bright side, PC is built and nothing obvious is broken.

Literally it installed Windows 10 in 5 - 6 minutes. The only things I can comment on are:
1) MSI motherboard is gorgeous
2) MSI BIOS is gorgeous
3) Cooling is way more solid and well positioned than my old Asus ROG (for sale with 1866 32GB and a 4790k i7) and the old setup I felt was already awesome.
4) M$ are even more sneaky and backhanded about privacy than before.

Few beers then back to break it.

Chaosphere · November 30, 2018, 07:26:38 PM

The fans can probably still be controlled, I think you mean they lack PWM control, i.e. are 3 pin and not 4 pin.

PWM fans have 4 leads and can have their specific RPM set and adjusted. 3 pin fans are unable to be controlled in this fashion but are still amenable to voltage control via a motherboard fan header or similar. You will need to set the controller to operate in DC mode, which will then change fan speed by adjusting the voltage (5-12V).

Glad the pc is up and running well. I'm here if you have any queries.

albert · December 01, 2018, 06:38:35 AM

Quote from: Chaosphere;435737The fans can probably still be controlled, I think you mean they lack PWM control, i.e. are 3 pin and not 4 pin.

PWM fans have 4 leads and can have their specific RPM set and adjusted. 3 pin fans are unable to be controlled in this fashion but are still amenable to voltage control via a motherboard fan header or similar. You will need to set the controller to operate in DC mode, which will then change fan speed by adjusting the voltage (5-12V).

Glad the pc is up and running well. I'm here if you have any queries.

Trouble is mate, the fans are for the CPU pump and the graphics pump. Controllers are in the respective devices and need the right type of connector. I'll return them to Amazon and find a more suitable alternative.

Chaosphere · December 01, 2018, 07:01:21 AM

Fair enough. The two corsair pumps I have had both came with adaptors to connect standard 3-4 pin fans to, but perhaps we have different models. As long as you can get what works for you, all good.

albert · December 01, 2018, 09:19:34 AM

Quote from: Chaosphere;435740Fair enough. The two corsair pumps I have had both came with adaptors to connect standard 3-4 pin fans to, but perhaps we have different models. As long as you can get what works for you, all good.

Ah ok well mine is from 2013 it's the v1 H100i. I need to check the original box of parts. Maybe I'm just not trying hard enough.

Sneakytiger · December 01, 2018, 02:47:17 PM

i have a h100i v2 with 2 hd 120 rgb fans 1 120hd rgb fan on my 1080 seahawk and 3 140hd fans on the front of my case all run thru my commander pro for rbg and fan control.

any queries ask me on discord.

BrotherTobious · December 01, 2018, 04:12:29 PM

I have it with nocta 120mm

albert · December 02, 2018, 01:58:58 AM

Cheers Sneaks and BTob.. got the Be Quiets working on the H100i. So now need a new joining connector for the gfx card. But..... sooooo silent!

albert · December 04, 2018, 09:21:28 AM

Ran Prime 95 for a few hours last night and was getting 55oC. Software seems stable but important:

During driver and utility install, Windows was BSOD many times as it detected pieces missing and was way over sensitive. Rock solid after the last part, wifi drivers were installed.

Chaosphere · December 04, 2018, 10:02:35 AM

You need to run Small FFTs in prime95 for any CPU load. Your CPU won't be 55 degrees running that, unless you've literally the best 9700K in existence :roflmao: .

If it's BSODing, it's not stable. Run small FFTs and wait for the BSOD...

Not sure how high you have it, but something like 70% of 9700s can do 5.0, and 25% 5.1. Most will need fairly high voltages for this, around 1.35. As I've said before I strongly recommend sticking to 1.3-1.35, ideally closer to 1.3V. the mATX boards cannot handle more voltage long term.

albert · December 04, 2018, 02:31:56 PM

Quote from: Chaosphere;435793You need to run Small FFTs in prime95 for any CPU load. Your CPU won't be 55 degrees running that, unless you've literally the best 9700K in existence :roflmao: .

If it's BSODing, it's not stable. Run small FFTs and wait for the BSOD...

Not sure how high you have it, but something like 70% of 9700s can do 5.0, and 25% 5.1. Most will need fairly high voltages for this, around 1.35. As I've said before I strongly recommend sticking to 1.3-1.35, ideally closer to 1.3V. the mATX boards cannot handle more voltage long term.

The BSODing was caused by the MSI software, it is a well documented problem and clears once a particular piece of software is properly installed. It's not hardware based error codes, it's software related to a driver for the Intel WiFi module. So that problem is completely gone.

Well I did the default prime95 burn in. I didn't change any parameters but it was sitting at 100% for a few hours in that state with the temp going from 49 up to 55 on average. I can look at small FFT's later. Thanks for the tip. I already had the 9700 up at 5GHz but as I stated before it was over powering on the auto setting, so I aim to try this again but manually tuning the CPU V. Just now it's sitting happy at 1.25v on GameBoost up to about 4.8GHz. In reality no games I've ran so far make the CPU go above 50 degrees. I had my previous mATX board at 1.35 for nearly 5 years with barely a problem. The old CPU was more often under 40 degrees under load. I understand form my research that the H100i is at it's limit with a 9700K.