DarkAngel

[Anonymous]

BTW you don't need a demo player for CZ - just type "playdemo demoname" in console (press ESC then select disconnect to stop it playing)

[TeaLeaf]

And this just in.

Ignore everything but the second word and the last line.  Interesting that he thinks the matter is settled.  I'll watch the demo tomorrow evening and maybe post more.

TL.

Originally posted by DarkAngel
yeah sorry m8 on another note 2 unreg people came onto the mh we asked them were they got the pw from they said off some server.

Their steam id's are 0:1:4525447 CheekyChimp and 0:1:4812115 SubSero.

And i didnt come back to the server stright away is because i was summoned for dinner . I did return later on a full stomach.

I know there is a grenade spam rule though i really only thought it was appointed just to mainly he's but hey nevermind i know now matter settled.

Dom

[Doorman]

If we're really serious about cheating the guy should go.  :angry:  I've not seen a more convincing example of 'wrong doing' ever. I have a weapon switch on my mousewheel, as does BB I believe, but when you switch the weapon is always cocked. What is worrying is that if he can do that and KNOW the rules and ethos of dMw, he is capable of anything.

[Anonymous]

Yup but my weapon switch is "go_slot 2"

[smilodon]

I don't get the gun switching problem to be honest. I use Rhizzah's script that allows switching between rifle, pistol,C4 and greandes with single keystrokes. So I too can wildy cycle through guns like DA did in the demo. Apart from that odd muzzel flash and the fact that his wild weapon changes seemed pointless, I can't see the issue?

If the keybind selected and fired the gun with a single keydtroke then that's something else. But I distinctly saw him select a gun while his cursor was right over a team mates head. There was the weird muzzel flash but the other player definately wasn't hit? So it would seem he's just using a quick select script like 'Rhizzah's helper'. That or I've completely missed the point somewhere?

The hostage killing was only happening at the beiginning of the round while everyone was connecting to the server. After the restart he only shot a hossie once and that was a mistake as he aimed for the radio.

The grenande spamming was all wrong though. It's against the rules on any decent server and completely out of order on a TCS one. It's cheating pure and simple.

DA, like a few others, observes TCS because he has too, not because he wants to. The PM was spot on but I don't think his reply should end the matter. Apart from being almost unintelligible it certainly didn't give the impression he thought it was a big deal.

[Doorman]

DA, like a few others, observes TCS because he has too, not because he wants to

Then what's the point of being in dMw. I thought the idea was to get away from ar*eholes like that? He's an admin for Christ's sake! But I suppose it's like modern life, it's never anyone's fault, nobody takes responsibility for themselves or their actions anymore and a grudging 'sorry' makes it all go away. Well it pisses me off!

[Doorman]

Originally posted by BlueBall@Dec 13 2004, 12:06 AM
Yup but my weapon switch is "go_slot 2"

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As is mine.

[JonnyAppleSeed]

After a quick test ..

RZE gives a muzzel flash in demo ....that may be why clever BB has put a winky in his post

[TeaLeaf]

Just watched the demo and am now trying to organise my thoughts whilst controlling a 101 temperature  Several things struck me and I will try to post something later today when my head feels a little more coherent.

In the mean time, next time you see DA with a shotgun ask yourself this:

Could someone fire the shotgun and then jump with exactly the same timing and regularity for each shot without using a script?  I watched him for extended periods on cs_office last night and I didn;t see a single shotgun shot where he didn't immediately jump.  All shot & jump combinations were identical to my eyes.  Now you can do this manually, but I can't see how the uniformity of the combination can be achieved without a shoot/hop script of some sort.  What are your views?

A final thought:  as I said earlier this is a real Pandora's box so we need to debate this thoroughly if we think we have a problem so that we cover all of the bases and know which ground we stand on before taking any action - if and only if any action is required (and I am not sure yet it is).  For example, quick switching is allowed in CS/CZ but how about a script that fires your AWM/Scout etc and then whips your pistol straight out until you release a key and then it switches straight back to sniper rifle.  There will be variants along this theme that we will deem acceptable and some others that we do not.  Where do you draw the line!

Maybe we shoudl consider this further in the TCS Admins thread rather than just under DA's, but on the other hand the thread is already here so I'll just keep on spouting.....

TL.

[Doorman]

Originally posted by JonnyAppleSeed@Dec 13 2004, 02:26 AM
After a quick test ..

RZE gives a muzzel flash in demo ....that may be why clever BB has put a winky in his post

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I am 100% certain that BB does NOT see a muzzle flash. He has the same setup as me, that is:

bind "MWHEELDOWN" "slot1" or go_slot1/2 depening on which version of cs it is
bind "MWHEELUP" "slot2"

All that does is to select either primary or secondary weapon. When the weapon appears in the hand it goes through the cocking animation before it's ready to fire.
If Rizzuh's script does that then imo it's pushing hard at the edges.

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[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Doorman@Dec 13 2004, 08:29 AM
I am 100% certain that BB does NOT see a muzzle flash. He has the same setup as me, that is:

bind "MWHEELDOWN" "slot1" or go_slot1/2 depening on which version of cs it is
bind "MWHEELUP" "slot2"

All that does is to select either primary or secondary weapon. When the weapon appears in the hand it goes through the cocking animation before it's ready to fire.
If Rizzuh's script does that then imo it's pushing hard at the edges.

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:withstupid: I have to go through the whole palaver of raising gun, cocking gun, aiming, missing

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by TeaLeaf@Dec 13 2004, 08:03 AM
In the mean time, next time you see DA with a shotgun ask yourself this:

Could someone fire the shotgun and then jump with exactly the same timing and regularity for each shot without using a script?  I watched him for extended periods on cs_office last night and I didn;t see a single shotgun shot where he didn't immediately jump.  All shot & jump combinations were identical to my eyes.  Now you can do this manually, but I can't see how the uniformity of the combination can be achieved without a shoot/hop script of some sort.  What are your views?

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I wondered about that when he was in sniper window on italy. He was strafing left/right and firing 2 shots but it was just soooooo regular. I know I cannot get anywhere near that level of consistency of key tapping but then again I'm crap

I've been thinking of drafting a piece for a starting point of what we think acceptable regarding scripting. I'll do it this week and post it up here for review prior to us agreeing on format.

hope you feel better soon TL?

[smilodon]

Rhizzah doesn't show muzzel flashes for me either. Going to rifle swings the AK-47 down from the upper right but there is no cocking action. It still takes a moment to bring the weapon to bear so it's not instant. Going back to pistol includes cocking the pistol before it can be fired. I really don't think DA was using Rhizzah's scropt, as the weapon changes seemed too quick and there is still that odd muzzel flash to account for.

It's just that I can't see how we can deal with the problem without banning all scripts execpt buy scripts or maybe Rhizzah/nightwish? And policing that will be nigh on impossible.   This is especially true now we have a public CZ server.

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by smilodon@Dec 13 2004, 11:29 AM
Rhizzah doesn't show muzzel flashes for me either. Going to rifle swings the AK-47 down from the upper right but there is no cocking action. It still takes a moment to bring the weapon to bear so it's not instant. Going back to pistol includes cocking the pistol before it can be fired. I really don't think DA was using Rhizzah's scropt, as the weapon changes seemed too quick and there is still that odd muzzel flash to account for.

It's just that I can't see how we can deal with the problem without banning all scripts execpt buy scripts or maybe Rhizzah/nightwish? And policing that will be nigh on impossible. This is especially true now we have a public CZ server.

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I'd go further than that and say that it would be impossible for us to unilaterally police which scripts are used.  However we can still have 'standards' to which all members need to adhere.

I use RZE as well but I don't use all of the features (I tend just to use the bulk purchase load out options) and nothing else.  However in my play on the server this morning I could not recreate the muzzle flash that the demo shows  :eyebrow:

TL.

[JonnyAppleSeed]

My wep-change ...(std RZE)

bind "KP_HOME" "go_slot1"
bind "KP_LEFTARROW" "go_slot2"
bind "KP_END" "weapon_knife

Will give u muzzel flash on the demo