HEROIC Spine of Deathwing - DEFEATED 08/05/12

hubbah · July 10, 2012, 07:04:35 PM

well.. i do or not enough dmg or to mutch .. im really trying .. but the first try's i nuked it to 50% in 2 seconds.. so i have to hold back :S

TeaLeaf · July 11, 2012, 09:46:07 PM

Spent some time looking at numbers on Tendon DPS as the fact that we could so 61% on the first tendon burn and then fail to do 39% on the second was grinding my groin. Not sure what the numbers tell me, only looked at tries 7-11 inclusive, other than we're way too variable in our DPS output in that phase. Target with macros, zero delay on starting dps, be fast!

Spreadsheet

Pot buffs:
We defintely lost DPS by not using pots on all tries. Mine is macro'd in, so I know I used mine and the logs show the number of buffs we received from our buff pots. This is something we have to fix seeing as we are *regularly* seeing us miss the DPS goal by a very small amount, an amount which a buff pot would more than cover.

DPS Buff Pots used:
Teaell 12
IncÃ©ndia 10
Jesung 7
Guru 6
Zaul 0

Please ensure you have a supply of your own buff pots in your bags at all times and USE THEM. As an example, I currently have about 190 Volcanic Potions in my bags as I tend to make up batches of 200 at a time and then have a plentiful supply for raids. Having loads in your bags also makes it psychologically easier to use one as you know you have loads left! Make sure you have good supplies too.

Raid Classes
I think some classes are clearly struggling to consistently get high dps on the tendon. A lesson for raid leaders is that perhaps we need to only have one lower burst dps class in the raid at a time (attendance allowing).

Tirkad · July 12, 2012, 09:26:35 AM

Mea culpa: forgot to replenish my pots stack before the raid.
Apart from that, i've noticed the unholy spec has a couple of issue with bursting the tendons: the application of diseases (which gives dps over about 40 secs), the time for the ghoul to reach the tendon, and above all the gargoyle. The gargoyle in particular needs a target to be used, so i'll have to use 2 globals just to activate the cooldowns (outbreak and gargoyle); in addition to that, the gargoyle somehow bugs, for he does not start attacking immediately after he's summoned (which takes another couple of seconds for the silly animation) but on the spine in particular, i noticed it's summoned too close to the tendril (over the plate) and then has to get back on "legit" ground before it starts attacking, which means i lose about 5 secs of it. Since it's a 15 seconds window, i'm losing about a third of it setting up the burst and 10 seconds actively bursting. As much as i'd like to do this fight (i like the mechanics and the fight itself) i think for the time being i'm the best candidate for the bench, since i'm the lowest dps on the tendons anyway.

JonnyAppleSeed · July 12, 2012, 09:42:14 AM

A few seem to be in the same boat Tirk .... overall dps is good tho burst is poor. 2H frost my be required for this one.

Tirkad · July 12, 2012, 12:29:48 PM

Quote from: JonnyAppleSeed;354570A few seem to be in the same boat Tirk .... overall dps is good tho burst is poor. 2H frost my be required for this one.

Was thinking something along those lines, but something came to my mind. First, we'll be losing the anti magic shield raidwise on the roll, and that may not be a big issue, just an extra burden on the healers. In addition, the frost spec dps rotation includes a frequent use of howling blast, which is also the main aoe dps of the frost spec. I'm afraid it will cause some mess during the fight because it will hit all the corrupted bloods around my target, making positioning and timing more problematic.
I'm not sure if these issues are big enough to even be considered, since last week was my first time in dragon soul heroics (better including minor issue than omitting major ones, i think).

TeaLeaf · July 12, 2012, 02:31:46 PM

I'd rather try it with everyone potting first.

My :2cents:

TeaLeaf · August 28, 2012, 03:43:15 PM

Be aware please that as of 29th August reset:

Most dispel mechanics have changed:
E.g. priest now has an 8 sec. cooldown

And as a result:

The Spine of Deathwing encounter has been adjusted to accommodate the new dispell mechanics.
-The Blood Corruption debuffs in the Spine of Deathwing now turn to the buffs after the first dispel.

Treach · September 10, 2012, 06:34:02 PM

Just saying I've read all this and my job seems boring, stand at back and collect Amalga's. Here's some quotes from the last 7 pages that might be useful:

/targetexact Burning Tendons for tendons, Been reported that /target Burning Tendon does not work for one side.
http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/boss_shieldsmonitor addon to show how much healing is needed to clear the plazma debuff

Wondering if RGT have any advice for the new dispelling.

Niel · September 10, 2012, 11:14:42 PM

Post patch dispelling.........all change. Where before we had one dispeller bouncing it around to turn it to earth and also try to move it to an appropriate target........now due to the cleanse CD basically all healers must do it. Debuffs do still arrive in groups though smaller than before. Not a major problem now but just harder to bounce around to one someone that you would like it on.