Might have to leave

[BrotherTobious]

Please enlighten me.

If you mean it is quite contradictory that I help new members gear up, they no longer come online and I myself no longer come online for ops then I'll dissapoint you by telling you that I do still come online, but just not for ops.  I shouldn't have to waste my time helping people gear up just to have them give an excuse such as "good game but i don't like it, so i'm leaving", how does that even work out?

@ Tealeaf:  The Ops roster was always put up on here to determine who was going to be running an op beforehand.  Now a few weeks after ops stopped altogether the roster was put up and it confused the living hell out of me.  It appeared to me that an op was going to be run with 4 healers of different gear levels, 2 mdps and 1 tank, namely lurek.  This also contributed to me not coming for ops.  As I have said before, there are better things to be done with my own time than helping the news guys gear up.  It isn't difficult to understand where I am coming from.  I have helped people, they let the guild down, I no longer wish to help them.  Simple as that.  Lastly, I was also studying for exams the past month, so half the days ops were' scheduled' I wasn't able to appear.  Now that they are done and I can come on most days for ops, I find that they are disorganised and a scheduled repeat of eternity vault which I have done a stupid many times, I hat to count them all.  As you said grass is not greener on the otherside but some gardens look better than others

Even if I do turn up as you say, I know what members are still currently active and what ones are not.  The main group as it were (red group) has lost significant dps.  Even with enough members online I would be running EV or KP for the one millionth time and it bores me to tears frankly.

Again, apologies for sounding like a demanding noob but it's been over a month now without any progress being made.  Heck if you want new guys geared up, pug people for story mode ops from the fleet.  EV SM is incredibly easy, it doesn't require a set guild run.

Sindri

This is a guild and we have to help each other I think the OP roster that was posted was what we had available at the time and making best of the situation.   Sorry for the confusion and now we have a different method which we are trying and gathering more info to help it more.

In your posts you repeat your point that "why should you help people"  well here is the answer because we are a guild, it is what we do to make this game fun, it is a TEAM game we work together on Ops and Worldbosses and even heroic 4 +. If we are only playing this for ourselves then we might as well go and play a single RPG.

Another reason that we should all help people is that we are all at different level but if we can get a group of us that can be near all the same level we will be able to do more of the challenging OP's, if we dont help them and just think sod em, then they wont be able to progress and become part of the team for OP's.

Now one of our issues is that people have left,  well there is no much we can do about that, this is a free world and if they have tried it and not like the game then I am not going to make them play or pay for it.  It is not my job or right to do that.  Yes it is frustrating but thats life we, say fair well thanks for the fun doors always open.  Then we work on getting people to replace them.  Thus the helping new players get in to a position so we can do the progression and HM/NM.

Now if we dont do this then we wont have enough members to actualy do OP's at all, as you state that Red Group lost a lots of DPS this merger was to help combat the loss, but a lot of the people that were going to be filling in didnt have the gear or experience to run thus the running of EV and Kraggas.  

Also we can not do runs if people do not turn up, now whatever the issue is that they cant effects that run.  Thus we cant get the people experience or the gear.

And if your attitude is oh another kragga or ev run and you dont want to do it then ok fair be it we cant make you, but you will have to understand that we have to do this to get the numbers so that we can move forward.

We have tried some advertising and had a little bit of luck, but to be honest the best ones so far have come from with in the guild and community.

Also the nights have not change it still Monday, Tuesday and Thursday that we run OPs, and if your other guild is running on those days I am sorry but you knew the nights we run.  It might be a idea to think about which direction you want to take your characters if you feel this way.  Now I am not saying I want you to leave, far from it you have been a great OP runner,  but from reading you posts it seems you have already made a decision.

We are far from perfect but we are bloody well trying hard to make this work for everyone.

I hope that this gives you the answers you are looking for, and better understanding where we are coming from.  And I hope to see you on a OP run very soon.

[Sindri]

Sindri

This is a guild and we have to help each other I think the OP roster that was posted was what we had available at the time and making best of the situation.   Sorry for the confusion and now we have a different method which we are trying and gathering more info to help it more.

In your posts you repeat your point that "why should you help people"  well here is the answer because we are a guild, it is what we do to make this game fun, it is a TEAM game we work together on Ops and Worldbosses and even heroic 4 +. If we are only playing this for ourselves then we might as well go and play a single RPG.

Another reason that we should all help people is that we are all at different level but if we can get a group of us that can be near all the same level we will be able to do more of the challenging OP's, if we dont help them and just think sod em, then they wont be able to progress and become part of the team for OP's.

Now one of our issues is that people have left,  well there is no much we can do about that, this is a free world and if they have tried it and not like the game then I am not going to make them play or pay for it.  It is not my job or right to do that.  Yes it is frustrating but thats life we, say fair well thanks for the fun doors always open.  Then we work on getting people to replace them.  Thus the helping new players get in to a position so we can do the progression and HM/NM.

Now if we dont do this then we wont have enough members to actualy do OP's at all, as you state that Red Group lost a lots of DPS this merger was to help combat the loss, but a lot of the people that were going to be filling in didnt have the gear or experience to run thus the running of EV and Kraggas.  

Also we can not do runs if people do not turn up, now whatever the issue is that they cant effects that run.  Thus we cant get the people experience or the gear.

And if your attitude is oh another kragga or ev run and you dont want to do it then ok fair be it we cant make you, but you will have to understand that we have to do this to get the numbers so that we can move forward.

We have tried some advertising and had a little bit of luck, but to be honest the best ones so far have come from with in the guild and community.

Also the nights have not change it still Monday, Tuesday and Thursday that we run OPs, and if your other guild is running on those days I am sorry but you knew the nights we run.  It might be a idea to think about which direction you want to take your characters if you feel this way.  Now I am not saying I want you to leave, far from it you have been a great OP runner,  but from reading you posts it seems you have already made a decision.

We are far from perfect but we are bloody well trying hard to make this work for everyone.

I hope that this gives you the answers you are looking for, and better understanding where we are coming from.  And I hope to see you on a OP run very soon.

I understand all this but I'll break it down what I am saying again .

-  Like you said, it's a free world and people can go do whatever they like.  You also mentioned it is a guild we help one another.  That I have done but as I explained I have helped many a person but as I said in my previous posts it is all for not.

- Not everyone leaves but many go and play new/other games which is fair enough but for the sake of ops people should at least have a sense of fairness on others and run ops for the few hours of a night or 2 during the week they are on and give the other game a miss for those tiny few hours.  In a guild you need a bit of dedication but I just haven't seen it from a few people.

- I understand the EV and KP situation.  What my point was (referring back to my first point in this post) I have other things to do in my life than run ops for the sake of people whom I don't know if they will turn out like the others and leave or quit or lack dedication to ops nights. (real life situations are exceptions ofc, I mean going and playing another game on ops night etc).

-  I know it's a team game, or at least aspects of it are.  H4's are incredibly useless imo, you can gain triple the amount of XP by doing normal quests in the time it takes to get a group and do a h4.  World bosses, again very useless unless you are below 50 or unless it's the nightmare pilgrim (need rakata/bh gear).

- At times I have come on (even earlier today) I was the only member online.  People keep telling me in this guild that you have to learn to help others regardless of what their choices about games might be, well can't do that if there are no other guildies on.

- I know the situation about OPS as I have repeatedly stated.  All I posted originally for was to let you know I want to move on and do the new content in the game.  I bought it for to play and enjoy but I cannot enjoy playing a character that has nothing to do.

- The one thing I do outside of ops is PvP, again very few members in this guild want to/do/play pvp, and i'd rather run it with a premade group as I have done in my previous mmo experience.

- I know officers are trying hard to get things organised, but i'm just expressing my sole fact that I want to play the game, not log on a character to run heroics with lower levels all day and night until ops are sorted.  The odd heroic or 2 I could help with but again they are very useless and time consuming.

- Tuesday is a day that has been recently added.  I posted in the thread saying tuesdays are not available to me.  Thursday is flexible I could make it.  Again tuesday was made an ops day after I said I run republic ops on that day, so cannot help out much that day.

- Referring back to my first post.  Guild bank.  Still cannot use it.  I have even seen some of the new guys when I am on ask why they can't access it, I cannot even access it for them.  Why have a guild bank that can't be used?

- Like I said, many of the parts of a guild are missing, pvp groups, no guild bank access.  

- Whether I leave or not is a different matter.  Hope that answered your points.

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[TeaLeaf]

This thread seems to be a circular argument, so what are you going to actually do about it Sindri?   The invitation is there to be part of the solution, but the decision is yours to take.

[Sindri]

This thread seems to be a circular argument, so what are you going to actually do about it Sindri?   The invitation is there to be part of the solution, but the decision is yours to take.

I added in my thoughts about having pvp groups and opening the guild bank to people would be another big help to the guild.  That get dismissed eh?
 I'm not just talking about ops here.

And how can I be part of the solution when I am the only one online half of the time when I come on?

[TeaLeaf]

I'm not Dark Council so you need to ask them, but from reading your guild forums the guild bank is already done and PVP won't happen unless people (inc you) are online, plus it takes time to organise.  The attendance bit is confusing as some people (inc some Dark Council members) have reported you as a no-show for Op nights or logging on and straight off again, yet you're saying you are the only one online when you log on, there's a disjoint there.  

If you want to be part of the solution then I'd direct your questions in person to a Dark Council member as public forum debates are rarely the most effective way of doing things, as you are no doubt finding out.

[Twyst]

I'm not Dark Council so you need to ask them, but from reading your guild forums the guild bank is already done

We do have a guild bank, but you need to request an item from an officer. That is the bit Sindri doesn't like.
We only have one tab and I'm channelling all my spare funds for a 2nd tab which I've already agreed with Toby to be open access for all if the system allows us to control the 1st tab still.
So far I've raised 200k and I'll probably donate another 200k today.

and PVP won't happen unless people (inc you) are online, plus it takes time to organise.

Well, there was more active PvP players here than there ever were during my time with the WoW guild.
But you're right, it's not organised and is very ad-hoc. Normally late at night or a few hours before raid time.

Even though I've been doing a lot of levelling alts lately it's all for PvP on my main so that I have every class buff available at all time.
This is because each time you die you lose your buffs. And the chances are that no one will be near the start point with you.
So you don't get them back. And a flat 5% boost across the important secondary stats is not to be sniffed at. Maybe others are presently doing the same as myself for rated Warzones when they come out.

[Bellanie]

Even though I've been doing a lot of levelling alts lately it's all for PvP on my main so that I have every class buff available at all time.
This is because each time you die you lose your buffs. And the chances are that no one will be near the start point with you.
So you don't get them back. And a flat 5% boost across the important secondary stats is not to be sniffed at. Maybe others are presently doing the same as myself for rated Warzones when they come out.

What he said the extra buffs are very important for pvp:D but also on the other side of it the extra buffs are good for ops, as i means if you need to be combat rezzed then simply hit one button and back to full buffs:D

but as for me i have been away the last week or so due to family commitments that i could not break and other problems thay have cropped up that atleast tobi and ice know about. But that being said i will be back online this week ready to kick ass or gear new people up what ever, as long as i get a run of some sort because the gear runs give me that always need experince to hone your skills and make they always say "Pracrtice Make perfect!"

but the bottom line of it is if you want to do the raids then turn up and lets see what happens. If not then dont turn up. and if you want to leave then do so. Please dont take this the wrong way I personally dont want to see you leave etc and will miss having you in the ops. But things have to bared with as its the summer now and games like this will always have a lull period during the summer what with the nice weather and holidays and other things popping up.

cheers
Bell (aka Talset)

[Twyst]

We do have a guild bank, but you need to request an item from an officer. That is the bit Sindri doesn't like.
We only have one tab and I'm channelling all my spare funds for a 2nd tab which I've already agreed with Toby to be open access for all if the system allows us to control the 1st tab still.
So far I've raised 200k and I'll probably donate another 200k today.

I drained all funds from my various alts and have donated another 800k, making 1M in total which means we should be able to buy another tab which hopefully Toby can make public access!

[BrotherTobious]

I will make sure I can before purchasing it twisted. This will be mainly used to help people with levelling and such if you want something this slight more special then you have to ask a officer.

Thanks again for this generous donation mate.

[Sindri]

Well with ranked WZ's especially next patch and 8 man premades being available, having a group of guildies willing to pvp a few nights and what not (much easier to gear up pvp wise than pve), then i'd be more than happy to participate in this.. If we don't have 8 people for a premade then even a 4 man group will work.  I know twist for example does pvp a good bit.  Grimnar and nystralia used to as well, if they still come on.  (on the buff note, I have all 4 available to me ).

[voyak]

I started a thread about our PVP premade so everyone willing can sign up there. So far we have 3 people including me. After a few more sign up, I'll start writing a bit more about it and hopefully we'll have a separate section for it on the forums, which would be cool, but later on.

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[Sindri]

I started a thread about our PVP premade so everyone willing can sign up there. So far we have 3 people including me. After a few more sign up, I'll start writing a bit more about it and hopefully we'll have a separate section for it on the forums, which would be cool, but later on.

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+1 but i'll post it in pvp forum