Might have to leave

Sindri · May 17, 2012, 01:21:52 PM

As the title says.

I'll be fairly honest here. I haven't done an ops on the imp side for over a month now. This has been not too bad considering i'm doing ops with the republic chars and that has kept me entertained for a while, but even with that, I want to do ops on my jug, but there is just the severe distinct lack of people to run Denova. I've time and time again been told that said 'dark council' which I am to believe are the group of players dedicated to organising this guild and it's raids. I've kind of waiting long enough considering I am paying to play the game. On a side note I still have not been granted access to even withdraw 1 item from the guild bank, even though i spoke to toby personally when I was on and he said he'd sort it with the council, just something for you guys to think about in the future, guild bank that can't be used : purpose?.

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With all this said I'll leave it a week and see if things pick up. If not then I might just leave and find another guild/group that will be doing denova. I know it's no ones fault in particular why things are the way they are, people leave yeah I get it, but it has impacts on all of us and our play time. By the time we get a group ready to go to denova again, the next op will be out. And how much longer until another situation of this caliber will pop up? it's happened numerous times when I have been in this guild and i've had to go to lesser ops of my gear level and run it to get the new guy geared and the next and the next.

Everyone in the guild is great to talk to and so on, the guildies are great and it's a shame that I feel I have to leave it as it's a good guild with good members (krekla does not count as a good members

). Perhaps in time I might come back depending on how things are.

Like I said i'll give it a week or so but judging by the way things are going, doesn't look good i'm afraid.

Sorry guys

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Krek'la · May 17, 2012, 04:50:00 PM

Of course it has to exclude me... But everything aside, if you leave, I'll haunt you!

voyak · May 18, 2012, 12:51:52 AM

Well, there was a bit of misunderstanding last week for the Red Group, since we ran BG anyways after the Merge has been announced, and now all of the group leaders are playing D3.. same goes for other players on our server. It feels a bit empty. I hope bioware are working on something to fix that, besides server transfer (maybe server merging), 'cause situation is starting to get out of hand.

Vargen · May 18, 2012, 08:30:19 AM

Quote from: voyak;351016Well, there was a bit of misunderstanding last week for the Red Group, since we ran BG anyways after the Merge has been announced, and now all of the group leaders are playing D3.. same goes for other players on our server. It feels a bit empty. I hope bioware are working on something to fix that, besides server transfer (maybe server merging), 'cause situation is starting to get out of hand.

It's not only D3 though. Yesterday was the Norwegian Constitution day, and there are a few Norwegians here. Also with a lack of people already, we are affected more by people being away. I will be going on vacation next week and I know I'm not the only one who will be away.

Merging the groups has been the quickest way to ensure that ops actually are doable at this time, as we were unable to fill the slots we needed to keep two groups running 100%.

BrotherTobious · May 18, 2012, 09:39:00 AM

Along with people pulling out at the last minute on several occuations, we have had to run with who is about which has meant that den has been not been do able, new members also wanting to play.

Plus the lack of certain class rdp healers etc which we have tried to get people in on. And now we have new players coming up with them. It all been very choppy I can understand your frustration we all.share it mate.

I hope you don't leave and we are trying to sort ops gb and everything out. For you all

Fair enough about enough about the GB I dropped the ball on that.

KKND · May 18, 2012, 09:42:55 AM

Just one thing Tobi, whe cant wait over and over again for new players to join ops to get gear ect ect....this takes time.
There members that wanna move on hope you understand this.

TeaLeaf · May 18, 2012, 09:54:47 AM

As a retired SWTOR player but very experienced MMO player, hopefully you'll allow me the latitude to add my thoughts here:

@KKND: It depends, hopefully people understand that you move on in an Op run as a group not as individuals. If someone plays the game solely for their personal benefit then they do not understand the team commitment an Op run presents. If people play the game to both see the Op runs and also benefit from the social community, then you'll see people stick around, put the effort in and help the guild progress.

@Sindri: Not really sure why you are not on Op runs. Are you not being picked? Are you being picked but the runs not happening due to absences? Are you not being picked because you are spending more time elsewhere and therefore not seen as available by the Op Leaders?

Quote from: SindriI've time and time again been told that said 'dark council' which I am to believe are the group of players dedicated to organising this guild and it's raids.

That sentence does not make sense to me. Could you explain you meant here please?

As an aside, MMOs are not easy to run, they get harder still when summer arrives and that coincides with an anticipated game release. What is required is for members to knuckle down and help with recruitment, remain active in the guild so that the guild is seen as active on a daily basis, and to help other members gear up to fulfill the guild objectives. Spending more time elsewhere does not help the activity levels of this guild and is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy - "I'll come back when it's busy" means everyone will go elsewhere and then say "I told you so" when the guild is empty due to everyone being elsewhere. I realise you pay for the game, we all pay for our MMOs, but that's where you need to make the decision as to why you play.

You'll always have a turnover of people - even in other guilds - so the grass is not always greener on the other side. I've seen it so many times in WoW, all guilds have the same problems, what makes a guild different is how they and their members face up to and deal with those problems.

Keep working as a team - and give it more than a week. A week won't change anything and you know it, so if you want to give the guild a fair chance to answer your comments and to allow you to become part of the solution, then give them time to do so.

Twyst · May 18, 2012, 11:45:26 AM

Quote from: TeaLeaf;351024@Sindri: Not really sure why you are not on Op runs. Are you not being picked? Are you being picked but the runs not happening due to absences? Are you not being picked because you are spending more time elsewhere and therefore not seen as available by the Op Leaders?

Ops runs are not happening right now due to a lack of raiders and/or people turning up - even with the groups merging.
I'm on holiday so just keeping in touch via the forums so I don't know if they managed a run last week.

KKND · May 18, 2012, 11:56:28 AM

Quote from: Twisted;351026Ops runs are not happening right now due to a lack of raiders and/or people turning up - even with the groups merging.
I'm on holiday so just keeping in touch via the forums so I don't know if they managed a run last week.

Yes whe did twist.

KKND · May 22, 2012, 07:37:26 PM

Quote from: Sindri;350988As the title says.

I'll be fairly honest here. I haven't done an ops on the imp side for over a month now. This has been not too bad considering i'm doing ops with the republic chars and that has kept me entertained for a while, but even with that, I want to do ops on my jug, but there is just the severe distinct lack of people to run Denova. I've time and time again been told that said 'dark council' which I am to believe are the group of players dedicated to organising this guild and it's raids. I've kind of waiting long enough considering I am paying to play the game. On a side note I still have not been granted access to even withdraw 1 item from the guild bank, even though i spoke to toby personally when I was on and he said he'd sort it with the council, just something for you guys to think about in the future, guild bank that can't be used : purpose?. .

With all this said I'll leave it a week and see if things pick up. If not then I might just leave and find another guild/group that will be doing denova. I know it's no ones fault in particular why things are the way they are, people leave yeah I get it, but it has impacts on all of us and our play time. By the time we get a group ready to go to denova again, the next op will be out. And how much longer until another situation of this caliber will pop up? it's happened numerous times when I have been in this guild and i've had to go to lesser ops of my gear level and run it to get the new guy geared and the next and the next.

Everyone in the guild is great to talk to and so on, the guildies are great and it's a shame that I feel I have to leave it as it's a good guild with good members (krekla does not count as a good members ). Perhaps in time I might come back depending on how things are.

Like I said i'll give it a week or so but judging by the way things are going, doesn't look good i'm afraid.

Sorry guys .

I find this post bit strange Imho after today...
You make post bout ops but you dont show up last monday no message nothing..
Tuesday you pop online say nothing and disapers the way you came.!!
Both days had ops planned. none happend...

Can you inform us what your plans are.

Sindri · May 25, 2012, 02:11:55 PM

Quote from: KKND;351296I find this post bit strange Imho after today...
You make post bout ops but you dont show up last monday no message nothing..
Tuesday you pop online say nothing and disapers the way you came.!!
Both days had ops planned. none happend...

Can you inform us what your plans are.

Easily explainable

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- I never came on Monday because as i explained before, we would only be doing EV SM or something along those lines for members who need to get geared. I have already helped member after member (many of which have left or otherwise just never turned up again) to get geared and then they suddenly dissapear thus we cannot progress any further. I'm a bit pi**** off at this, that I should take time out of my day to help new guys get geared up when I should be doing the newest content and then have the new guys leave or not run ops for 4 weeks as a new game has came out that they cannot even take a couple of hours out of 1 day of the week or their new game to do an OP.

-Tuesday, I only come on Imho for OPS (which ain't happening), dailys (not currently doing) and to buy things from GTN to send to alts. So Of course I won't be on imho for long. I have a friend that also plays republic side with me so I can't stay and chat to whoever may be online at the time as me and him are pvping or doing FP's or alts etc.

- Both days did not specifically had a set OPS planned. Refer to my first point about how I feel about ops currently. Ops were going to run if we had the members on, but as I said before. It's of no use to me doing SM for people or HM for that matter and I'm done with wasting my time on people who may or may not stay in the guild or game.

- Also on thursday my Republic group runs OPS, we never used to due to me having to OPS with you guys but currently we are doing thursdays until (if) something is sorted here.

- As for leaving, Psykoo who used to be a member of this guild (also left due to the way ops were run) has a small guild which are currently on HM denova. Now what I find odd here is that they started story mode with their group when we were stearolling through HM's and yet they are now onto HM Denova. I believe his guild are always recruiting and have asked him if it's possible to join, he says yes. Like I have said. People are great in this guild so it's a damn well shame for me to leave. Alliances are coming soon for guilds though *hint*.

That's my piece kknd

TeaLeaf · May 25, 2012, 02:43:39 PM

The problem as I see it is what I referred to earlier in the thread.

If you don't turn up nobody can do the Op run as you're short of people.
If you're not turning up, then by the time you think the Op group is good enough for your presence then you'll have been replaced.

Do you not see the problem in your logic?

You can jump to another field if you think it's greener on the other side, but it's still the same grass.

BrotherTobious · May 25, 2012, 02:56:09 PM

I am sorry you feeling a bit annoyed at this but it is part of this, as we have lost members for whatever reason we need new members to have the gear so we can do the more challenging Ops. RG was mainly doing the HM and Progression, BG was doing normals and about to hit HM but due to people leaving we didnt have enough players to field a team that was able to do what was wanted.

Thus we have done more of the Normal modes to get some of the new guys in to gear to attempt the HM.

Hope that explains why we have had most of these changes.

Tutonic · May 25, 2012, 03:02:29 PM

Quote- I never came on Monday because as i explained before, we would only be doing EV SM or something along those lines for members who need to get geared. I have already helped member after member (many of which have left or otherwise just never turned up again) to get geared and then they suddenly dissapear thus we cannot progress any further. I'm a bit pi**** off at this, that I should take time out of my day to help new guys get geared up when I should be doing the newest content and then have the new guys leave or not run ops for 4 weeks as a new game has came out that they cannot even take a couple of hours out of 1 day of the week or their new game to do an OP.

Nobody needs to add anything to this - you've quite expertly shot yourself in the foot. Cheerio!

Sindri · May 26, 2012, 12:52:42 PM

Quote from: Tutonic;351431Nobody needs to add anything to this - you've quite expertly shot yourself in the foot. Cheerio!

Please enlighten me.

If you mean it is quite contradictory that I help new members gear up, they no longer come online and I myself no longer come online for ops then I'll dissapoint you by telling you that I do still come online, but just not for ops. I shouldn't have to waste my time helping people gear up just to have them give an excuse such as "good game but i don't like it, so i'm leaving", how does that even work out?

@ Tealeaf: The Ops roster was always put up on here to determine who was going to be running an op beforehand. Now a few weeks after ops stopped altogether the roster was put up and it confused the living hell out of me. It appeared to me that an op was going to be run with 4 healers of different gear levels, 2 mdps and 1 tank, namely lurek. This also contributed to me not coming for ops. As I have said before, there are better things to be done with my own time than helping the news guys gear up. It isn't difficult to understand where I am coming from. I have helped people, they let the guild down, I no longer wish to help them. Simple as that. Lastly, I was also studying for exams the past month, so half the days ops were' scheduled' I wasn't able to appear. Now that they are done and I can come on most days for ops, I find that they are disorganised and a scheduled repeat of eternity vault which I have done a stupid many times, I hat to count them all. As you said grass is not greener on the otherside but some gardens look better than others

Even if I do turn up as you say, I know what members are still currently active and what ones are not. The main group as it were (red group) has lost significant dps. Even with enough members online I would be running EV or KP for the one millionth time and it bores me to tears frankly.

Again, apologies for sounding like a demanding noob but it's been over a month now without any progress being made. Heck if you want new guys geared up, pug people for story mode ops from the fleet. EV SM is incredibly easy, it doesn't require a set guild run.