suggestion to new rules

[kregoron]

IF we decide to use the alt system where we only take in a certain amout of ALT's, we should keep in mind that this might cause a bit of anger, but im willing to take a chat with whoever has any objections´.. But if we used the 18Main/2 alts thing, i think we should setup a something where we can see who got in alts last time so it will not be the sme who get in a alt every day...

[Bastet]

also a lot of ppl are only raiding with thier alts at this time. So if you do this you might use even more ppl

[Menedil]

yeah, 2 alts in hte raid max is too few imo.

remember people dont have to come along, and if they cant come on the char they want to, they just wont come at all.

[Padding]

Maybe 2 is too few, but try to take more and you'll end up not being well enough specced. I still say 2 as a "thumb rule" but eventually might grabbing more along if we are in need of additional players for the specific raid

[lunares]

Originally posted by Padding@Jun 21 2006, 04:06 PM
Maybe 2 is too few, but try to take more and you'll end up not being well enough specced. I still say 2 as a "thumb rule" but eventually might grabbing more along if we are in need of additional players for the specific raid

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Its what padding said.

If we only allow 2 alts it will cause a lot of anger and prolly even lower attendance.
However for fights like ossirian we still need some good geared ppl. A thing here could be is make 2 raids (or at least try with the current attendance....) 1 for mains and 1 for alts.

Lunares

[Menedil]

as we do 2 runs to each instance a week (or try to) that would fit quite well.

and about them not being well enough geared... if they cant get into the raid, they will never get well enough geared...

[Padding]

if they cant get into the raid, they will never get well enough geared...

Lots of ways to get better geared than grabbing all from ZG/AQ. Lot can be gotten by Tier0.5 quest upgrades, Molten Core etc.

The thing i really DONT want to see, is people having alt's and relying "just" coming to ZG once in a while and getting free and easy loot

I'm almost Exhalted in ZG but havent gotten the Hakkar Quest loot or even 1 of the pieces from the Trinket in the madness quest, and thats why im not too fond of the alt's coming there, when the rules are not favoring people that has most reputation and has spent the time learning ZG for the guild

[Menedil]

if a alt is well enough geared for molten core, theyre MORE than geared up for zg/aq, and if they have tier 0.5 quests they have tier 0 (dungeon 1) sets, which id also say is good enough for zg/aq. so, if they dont have that, then then theyre not good for anything and hence cant raid with us at all with that logic. ive always thought of zg as a place to get a char geared up for MC before you have any tier1.

i also havent gotten the heart of hakkar and god knows ive rolled every time and ive gone past exalted a month ago and only missed one zg since then... but just because i want something doesnt mean im going to suggest we make rules that will increase my chances of getting it.

if we have rules that DO favour people with the msot rep/time spent then it will ultimately give priority for stuff to the raid leaders who are there every time - very few others make it to every raid. surprisingly enough, i dont do this for my own personal benefit.

i want zg/aq to be more "casual" and fun than a MC grind or BWL - im quite confident that we could VERY easily clear ZG upto hexxer with half a raid of alts (but that doesnt mean i think we shoudl have half a raid of alts). sometimes i feel we get unneccesarily agitated about some things in the raids, and most of the time what we're getting annoyed about we could cope with the consequences of anyway. striving for absolute perfection kills a lot of the fun for some people.

hope that made sense, im tired as hell.

[Padding]

if we have rules that DO favour people with the msot rep/time spent then it will ultimately give priority for stuff to the raid leaders

You spend the time, you get the dime. Most things you can only get once, so you may get it first but others will get it after. Thats plain and simple and you cant feel ashamed over getting an item before the other players when you spent most time there. Do you think Bastet feels ashamed over getting all Rogue loot first in BWL because he has most DKP?

sometimes i feel we get unneccesarily agitated about some things in the raids, and most of the time what we're getting annoyed about we could cope with the consequences of anyway

I agree there 100%. I think its totally overkill when we go "nuts" on TS if someone kills an egg to fast on the Buru fight and the whole raid is on almost 100% health. If we are not close to wiping, i really cant take that seriously. ZG/AQ raids are the-raids-in-between-raids, and therefore we need some fun and looseness so the game is fun and not all serious

RULES

Concerning the rules i'd like to see that people with most reputation gets priority over people with lower reputation on the Madness quest. Thats really essential so we know that the people coming there over and over, are the people getting the trinkets done. 1 person coming there

I've tried to make some rules here, feel free to comment.

NORMAL LOOT
MAIN ->  ADDITIONAL PIECES -> ALT -> CLASS -> NEED -> GREED

TRINKET

MAIN ->  ADDITIONAL PIECES -> REPUTATION -> ALT -> CLASS -> NEED

Ok, this is written in somewhat haste, but try to think it through before commenting and telling me im a fool  

[lunares]

Originally posted by Padding@Jun 23 2006, 01:53 PM

I agree there 100%. I think its totally overkill when we go "nuts" on TS if someone kills an egg to fast on the Buru fight and the whole raid is on almost 100% health. If we are not close to wiping, i really cant take that seriously. ZG/AQ raids are the-raids-in-between-raids, and therefore we need some fun and looseness so the game is fun and not all serious

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I would like to reply to this. If someone tangos us the vael event ppl also get mad (yes 1 mistake is a wipe there). But my point is the officers see the 20 man as a day off. For the commanders its the same as the officers have a 40 man run plz keep this in mind. And my definition of fun is not wiping at buru btw:P cause if to many eggs get killed before he is on it he will go to fast and wipe (yes unlikely it will happen but it can)

Lunares

[Padding]

But my point is the officers see the 20 man as a day off

Maybe so but that doesnt mean we dont play as good as we normally do. And i've never wiped at Buru, ever, thats why i dont really want to be told to shape up when we are doing just fine but missed 1 egg

Please comment on the loot rules, thats A LOT more interesting

[TeaLeaf]

Yeah but Luna has a point, I know I was guilty of that in the early AQ runs and volunteered to moderate my 'day off' TS voice to something a little more serious for the 20 person runs as it could influence others.  It's not that you Padding or I could not handle more jovial TS and play well at the same time, but for some others the balance may be more difficult to achieve and we agreed at the time that we ought to try to not unduly influence others behaviour by our own.

TL.

[lunares]

Originally posted by lunares@Jun 23 2006, 03:43 PM
I would like to reply to this. If someone tangos us the vael event ppl also get mad (yes 1 mistake is a wipe there). But my point is the officers see the 20 man as a day off. For the commanders its the same as the officers have a 40 man run plz keep this in mind. And my definition of fun is not wiping at buru btw:P cause if to many eggs get killed before he is on it he will go to fast and wipe (yes unlikely it will happen but it can)

Lunares

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Also want to add here that ofc at trash TS can be a lot more friendly so to speak but at bosses we want focus. Even if its buru.

Lunares

[kregoron]

I agree with Luna on this one, its not the big prop between bosses, that i dont mind, but at bosses i like it to end and and focus, then we can talk shit again when he is down