suggestion to new rules

kregoron · June 14, 2006, 06:44:01 PM

Been thinking some new rules mainly to improve attenden and use of sign up site.

1st rule
If there isnt enough people for 20 man raid signed up for the raid, the raid will be called even tho there might be enough people in Gchat who wants to come.

2st rule
Those who signed up for the raid will get priority over those who came in by whisper, the ones in queu on sign up site will offcourse act as pri.
By request of luna this rule was meant to be used when handing lewt.. so there will be a reward for those using our sign up system..

kregoron · June 15, 2006, 10:59:55 PM

Would dearly love some respons to the above rules ?

Padding · June 15, 2006, 11:06:58 PM

Quote1st rule
If there isnt enough people for 20 man raid signed up for the raid, the raid will be called even tho there might be enough people in Gchat who wants to come.

Bad idea in my opinion if we want to continue raiding. I know you want the perfect raid and be able to choose the classes you want to have in the raid, but we need to see through this and get help from whoever wants to help. So if 19 people registered, its not fair for them that we just cancel the raid

Quote2st rule
Those who signed up for the raid will get priority over those who came in by whisper, the ones in queu on sign up site will offcourse act as pri.
By request of luna this rule was meant to be used when handing lewt.. so there will be a reward for those using our sign up system..

This one is dangerous, and we shouldnt give the people using the sign-up system priority over a person that wanna help in the raid, but didnt use the sign-up system because he thought he couldnt join tonights raid in my opinion

kregoron · June 15, 2006, 11:16:59 PM

Ye ive had the same thoughts, ive just thought those two up fast to create something which would make people see that we really want them too use the system... so ill start rethinking........... tomorrow.. need some sleep...

Menedil · June 16, 2006, 04:17:43 AM

no and no

we should aim more towards rewarding those who sign up, not punishing those who dont.

TeaLeaf · June 16, 2006, 07:37:08 AM

I'm with Mene & Padding here. Same reasons.

As for me, my work commitments are changing at the moment and I cannot sign up for any raids with any certainty of making them (other than my commitment to the 40 man raids). So if I attend any raids it will be on a 'I've turned up and am available basis'.

TL.

kregoron · June 16, 2006, 08:24:28 AM

Okay thanks for the respons,

after considoring the rules myself ive think you are right

Padding · June 16, 2006, 08:46:54 AM

Lets try to find to think of some new ones though since we do need some rules to make the 20-man runs best for all people

kregoron · June 16, 2006, 01:46:39 PM

ye already on it, goes a bit slow, think i need to upgrade the processor in my head..

Menedil · June 16, 2006, 03:04:45 PM

one thing i think we shoudl definately think about is the loot rules for alts - a lot of people arent happy wtih them, and this could be one of the reasons for lower attendance lately - no alts coming cos they cant get the loot they want.

lunares · June 16, 2006, 04:07:25 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Menedil@Jun 16 2006, 03:04 PM
one thing i think we shoudl definately think about is the loot rules for alts - a lot of people arent happy wtih them, and this could be one of the reasons for lower attendance lately - no alts coming cos they cant get the loot they want.
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True, but if you give alts the same privileges as the mains then the 20 mans will become a alt run every day. I think we should take the rules in consideration and prolly some changes but without making the 20 mans some alt runs.

Lunares

Menedil · June 16, 2006, 04:28:48 PM

we can always set a limit on alts, as will be done in 40 man raids. i.e. no more than 5 alts.

having said that, i think if we can do a full clear of zg using half a raid of alts, then thatd be some achievement. remember its supposed to be somewhere between ubrs and mc in difficulty, and shouldnt need a full raid of tier2 epiced people.

Padding · June 16, 2006, 04:35:34 PM

ALT's are not just ALT's ..... Whitefang has really good equipment unlike other ALT's so if we are talking about 5 ALT's in a 40 man raid, there should be no more than 2 ALT's in a 20 man raid

Menedil · June 16, 2006, 04:47:44 PM

whats with the capitalisation of alt?

but yeah, some alts are really as good as other mains. we could probably classify characters into 1st class (including mains and well geared alts) and 2nd class (alts) and limit accordingly.

TeaLeaf · June 19, 2006, 10:14:52 AM

I agree to a degree, but the 1st/2nd Class categorisation is *real* difficult to police and implement as stats and kit will change and the very decision as to what is 1st or 2nd class could become very subjective (and hence open to argument) if the rules are not totally clear and fair.

I like Padding's argument about alts though. It's a 20 man raid, fill it with Mains. For every main in excess of 18 then allow one alt, i.e. max 2 alts per raid. That might be worth adopting and it also limits the decrease in quality of the raid group.

TL.