Raid General and Yogg

[Lola]

I spoke to a CL (in game) and an officer (after game) what more would you like? I can bash my head on a brick wall too if that will help.

So right we are not 'hardcore' raiders but we ARE raiders and the basic raid rules/skills/gear/attitude apply do they not?

The point I'm trying to make is that ppl are STILL after all this time slacking. I don't care if people do achievements and I don't mind if ppl make mistakes, hell I've done it but when you don't learn from them that's what annoys me. I could give specific examples from last nite but I'm not gonna name names publicly (although I did mention names to the CL/Officer) and Gijs I am not ranting, I expressed my opinion without being offensive or confrontational and I abided by the rules of this forum, so are you saying I should keep my opinions to myself? I'm not the one who has to use a starred out expletive to get my point across.

You also make the point about people ranting off because we donââ,¬â,,¢t kill 4 - 5 bosses in a row, well I don't think I mentioned anything like that my point was I am frustrated by what I see in raids and yes I agree it has gotten better with Anub/General going down but really I don't see what the problem was last nite with Yogg - ok that's my personal view but if people are stuggling then why aren't they asking, there was ample opportunity to do so last nite.

Going to what Icy said now, yes we are a different raid group each time and that is the problem. But how can we recruit serious raiders to this guild when they look at our guild progress? If we want to get better we need to have a core raid group with people being switched in and out as required. However, if we want to be complacent and carry on progressing at this rate and watch while other guilds overtake us (example Project X) and watch while people successfully pug Uld & ToC then fine. The point is I don't want that and that is why I am expressing my opinion because I want to provoke a reaction, I want people to get some passion for our DMR raids and I want to progress - you cannot possibly disagree with me if I said Ulduar should have been on farm a long time ago...

[Sleepyy]

I totally agree what lola said.
We should have Ulduar on farm long time ago, even with the current gear that people have, that is way better then most of the ulduar loot (hench 90% of the loot doesnt get bid on in there), we struggle to get bosses down and even wipe in there on mob packs. Which in my opinion is quite silly.

I do agree that a raid should be working as a team. like a well oiled machine!
The thing is how can you expect to have raiders work properly together if even not all officers/classleaders flask up; not all officers/classleaders know the boss fight; offciers/classleaders do archievements and then start forbidding them to other people; offciers/classleaders not focus because they are talking in general chat too.
If you want people to work as team then the officers/classleaders are the first ones in line to show how its done. Im not saying that all officers and classleaders are doing these things but in my opinion you cant say things to the "normal'' raiders what they should do or not do or even forbid if some of the officers/classleaders doing it themself. You want people working as a team then make sure ALL people are working on it to make it a team!

[TeaLeaf]

The nice thing is that the new DKP system seems to be improving attendance and with that comes more stability and more consistency, thus greater raid progress.

[Limps]

Easy if you know which way is north or south... but I won't go into that.

Sorry to put a downer on all of this but yes I was in a crappy mood last nite (due to my work announcing 30% staff reduction, so for the 3rd time I'm awaiting my fate) but really I must have been in the wrong raid because I didn't think it was all that. To back up my view:

* People again not listening, I mean really what are you doing? Your full focus should be on the raid and the other 24 people you are letting down.
 
* People not potting up even tho at one point we got 3 raid warnings in a row from Necro, Hal and Icy (and at least one of of those ppl not potted were CL's).

* Raid attitude is less than acceptable imo.

* People not understanding the fight / their role. Do your homework or ask the questions if you don't understand what you need to be doing. I have never been to Vezax or Yogg and I seemed to manage it and if I can then anyone can, right?

I could go on but I won't but...  I don't see anything to be proud of when people are pugging Ulduar and ToC 25. It's embarrassing.

Now previously I said it would take one significant person to leave and now it's happened (but Garrit DESERVES his spot in Eluo) can all of us say the same?

Again, sorry to put a downer on the raid but I think a reality check is in order.

I you refer to the cl that did not pot/flask up you would prob say it was me this was maybe the second time i ever (in all my raid time) forgot to put it on but it was only for some minutes i was without. And what i can say is that last night was a good raid night you must have bin in a different raid if you think it went bad. and yes we should have gotten ulduar on farm long ago but it was made clear that TOC would be done on thursdays, and that dont give much time for last boss in ulduar if you have to clear every week. Please take a moment to calm down and dont start all this drama, i dont even know how to start  a comment on all this......

[Lola]

I you refer to the cl that did not pot/flask up you would prob say it was me this was maybe the second time i ever (in all my raid time) forgot to put it on but it was only for some minutes i was without.

No it wasn't you and it wasn't just one person.

Please take a moment to calm down and dont start all this drama.

I am calm and what drama? I am stating my opinion that I didn't think the raid was all that (bearing in mind at the beginning of the fight necro said something to the effect of "we'll do these bosses and hopefully spend the rest of the night in ToC") so I don't think I am alone in the fact that I thought we should have downed them. I also gave examples of what STILL is lacking and which should have been addressed when a similar post was put up by Garrit a while back.

If I can't raise my opinions or concerns on this forum, without being told I am ranting or causing a drama especially by CL's, then maybe I should re-think my options within DMR.

[Limps]

No it wasn't you and it wasn't just one person.

 

I am calm and what drama? I am stating my opinion that I didn't think the raid was all that (bearing in mind at the beginning of the fight necro said something to the effect of "we'll do these bosses and hopefully spend the rest of the night in ToC") so I don't think I am alone in the fact that I thought we should have downed them. I also gave examples of what STILL is lacking and which should have been addressed when a similar post was put up by Garrit a while back.

If I can't raise my opinions or concerns on this forum, without being told I am ranting or causing a drama especially by CL's, then maybe I should re-think my options within DMR.

Sry mate but i dont know how you would say it should have bin killed when it was the first time we ever got to phase 3 and we did that twice last raid, and yes if all knew what to do in p3 he could have bin downed. i would love if you could see the positive in last nights raid as we did damn good, so what if did not kill him that night we are getting closer and closer and if any fight in wow that need practise its yogg, its all about doing it over and over and over to get use to portals and outside before u get to p3. p3 is all about turning your back to the boss when he does his thing and rest of time nuke boss and adds when called.
the hardest phase in there is p2 without a doubt, but lets try to put this away and come next time ready to kill him we have a whole raid night to try it out.
Sorry if i said it in a wrong way i just dont like when there are post on forum that gives a negative vibe that why i said about the calmness and drama.
ofc we all need to do ours to have the best raid possible, and i love the fact u point out the problems in my view it can be said in many ways and also dealt with in many ways there is no doubt we all want the best for DMR.  And what Sleepy said on teamwork he is absolutly right 100 % we need to work as a unit in raid that is very important and i think we showed we could do that last week on Anub, and we do talk about these things but it takes time.
And please dont take the comment personal if the wrong tone was used we CL's apologize if it got you upset.

[gijs]

I apologize for my former post..had the wrong tone completly...had some personal things going on and was a bit ticked off/angry at the time..im afraid i took it out in the post,im sry for that. Its just that i was quiet pls'ed with the progress we made (me especially being in the portal-room for the first time) and the negative post just hit me wrong...:doh:
 
Ofc you are entitled to your own opinion and pretty pls (with SUGA:yahoo: on top) keep posting them on this forum..Its just ive read so many posts about ppl not being focussed and ive been trying to see who or what they where and i cant see more then some ppl doing some tact for the first time and having to get used to it...I cant honestly say that ANYONE is slacking in any specific place or boss encounter.
 
I know its frustrating to still be on Yogg when we have ToC25 even cleared alrdy. but it was a choice we (officers) made when ToC became life that ToC would be done on thursdays meaning a lot less time for clearing Uld of wich we can all be sure it takes longer to clear totally then ToC. maybe we should have kept extending uld till we got Yogg down but at the time the previous Bosses still dropt nice loot for all, so we refreshed it a couple of times.
 
so again my apologize for taking such a negatice tone to your perfectly 'legal' post Lola..my bad, will watch it in the future:D.
 
so this is a closest matter for me. lets just work out our frustrations on Yogg nxt time we meet him/her/it :boxing:.

[Lola]

I was only trying to get the point across that OUR raiders unfortunately still seem to need some of their bums wiped for them, examples:

The basics: Pots, food, attitude, focus & skill.

Raid tactics: If ppl don't get it then say on TS like I did (I'm not ashamed to admit that I don't know) or in /w if they ppl are not so confident.

I didn't intend to take anyone's happiness away from last nite but really we could have wiped Yogg and that is all down to the mentality of DMR. Our attitude is "we could have" not "we will do" It's really depressing and de-motivational from my point of view.

I'll be the first to admit I'm not happy with our raids (and yes I've been raiding less and less), yes we have progressed but not enough, the complacent attitude seems to be the majority and it is not enough frankly.

We need to strive and combine our efforts and make this work and atm I'm not happy as it stands, hence my original post.

[Mezzanine]

hugs lola

[Fatdog]

licks lola

[Vanguish]

hugs whole DMR

 
let's all go fresh ahead tonight and pwn :boxing:
 
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