ID cards...

[suicidal_monkey]

just got an interesting email...could be paranoid view but it does make you think a little more about it...thoughts?

You may have heard that legislation creating compulsory ID Cards passed
a crucial stage in the House of Commons. You may feel that ID cards
are not something to worry about, since we already have Photo ID for
our Passport and Driving License and an ID Card will be no different to
that. What you have not been told is the full scope of this proposed
ID Card, and what it will mean to you personally.

The proposed ID Card will be different from any card you now hold. It
will be connected to a database called the NIR, (National Identity
Register)., where all of your personal details will be stored. This
will include the unique number that will be issued to you, your
fingerprints, a scan of the back of your eye, and your photograph.
Your name, address and date of birth will also obviously be stored
there. There will be spaces on this database for your religion,
residence status, and many other private and personal facts about you.
There is unlimited space for every other details of your life on the
NIR database, which can be expanded by the Government with or without
further Acts of Parliament.

By itself, you might think that this register is harmless, but you
would be wrong to come to this conclusion. This new card will be used
to check your identity against your entry in the register in real time,
whenever you present it to 'prove who you are'.

Every place that sells alcohol or cigarettes, every post office, every
pharmacy, and every Bank will have an NIR Card Terminal, (very much
like the Chip and Pin Readers that are everywhere now) into which your
card can be 'swiped' to check your identity. Each time this happens, a
record is made at the NIR of the time and place that the Card was
presented. This means for example, that there will be a government
record of every time you withdraw more than £99 at your branch of Nat
West, who now demand ID for these transactions. Every time you have to
prove that you are over 18, your card will be swiped, and a record made
at the NIR. Restaurants and off licenses
will demand that your card is swiped so that each receipt shows that
they sold alcohol to someone over 18, and that this was proved by the
access to the NIR, indemnifying them from prosecution.

Private businesses are going to be given access to the NIR Database.
If you want to apply for a job, you will have to present your card for
a swipe.  If you want to apply for a London Underground Oyster Card,
or a supermarket loyalty card, or a driving license you will have to
present your ID Card for a swipe. The same goes for getting a
telephone line or a mobile phone or an internet account.

Oyster, DVLA, BT and Nectar (for example) all run very detailed
databases of their own. They will be allowed access to the NIR, just
as every other business will be. This means that each of these
entities will be able to store your unique number in their database,
and place all your travel, phone records, driving activities and
detailed shopping habits under your unique NIR number.

These databases, which can easily fit on a storage device the size of
your hand, will be sold to third parties either legally or illegally.
It will then be possible for a non governmental entity to create a
detailed dossier of all your activities. Certainly, the government
will have clandestine access to all of them, meaning that they will
have a complete record of all your movements, from how much and when
you withdraw from your bank account to what medications you are taking,
down to the level of what sort of bread you eat - all accessible via a
single unique number in a central database.

This is quite a significant leap from a simple ID Card that shows your
name and face.

Most people do not know that this is the true character and scope of
the proposed ID Card. Whenever the details of how it will work are
explained to them, they quickly change from being ambivalent towards
it.

The Government is going to compel you to enter your details into the
NIR and to carry this card. If you and your children want to obtain or
renew your passports, you will be forced to have your fingerprints
taken and your eyes scanned for the NIR, and an ID Card will be issued
to you wether you want one or not. If you refuse to be fingerprinted
and eye scanned, you will not be able to get a passport.  Your ID Card
will, just like your passport, not be your property. The Home
Secretary will have the right to revoke or suspend your ID at any time,
meaning that you will not be able to withdraw money from your Bank
Account, for example, or do anything that
requires you to present your government issued ID Card.

The arguments that have been put forwarded in favor of ID Cards can be
easily disproved. ID Cards will not stop terrorists; every Spaniard
has a compulsory ID Card as did the Madrid Bombers. ID Cards will not
'eliminate benefit fraud', which in any case, is small compared to the
astronomical cost of this proposal, which will be measured in billions
according to the LSE. This scheme exists solely to exert total
surveillance and control over the ordinary free British Citizen, and it
will line the pockets of the companies that will create the computer
systems at the expense of your freedom, privacy and money.

If you did not know the full scope of the proposed ID Card Scheme
before and you are as unsettled as I am at what it really means to you,
to this country and its way of life, I urge you to email or photocopy
this and give it to your friends and colleagues. The Bill has
proceeded to this stage due to the lack of accurate and complete
information on this proposal being made public. Hand to hand, we can
inform the entire nation.

[Arcticfire]

do i have to read all of that  :blink:  :blink:

[Gone_Away]

Originally posted by Arcticfire@Mar 16 2006, 05:25 PM
do i have to read all of that :blink: :blink:

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you can read?

[Wordan]

It doesn't bother me. I don't have anything to hide, neither do I have any problems with the govenment holding my biological data, and I dont think the government will flog my data to the average joe.  Something may go wrong and people could get hold of it, but im sure it would be allot easier to forge "a simple ID Card that shows your name and face." "This scheme exists solely to exert total surveillance and control over the ordinary free British Citizen" Neither do I think there is a conspiricy. Mind you I dont think I am qualified to have much of an opinion on this. Maybe the money could be better used elsewhere.

What anoys me though is all the waffel about how they will harvest all the data possible about me, and then suggest the dismissal of the arguments put forward for ID cards in one paragraph. There is too much shock material and not enough facts.

[MAD_ness]

Is the plan still to make all the honest hard working folks pay for all the dolites who cant be TANGO'd to get a job

and what is the proposed actual costs of us moving into the next step towards Big Brother officialdom ??

 :ranting:

[Apoc]

The UK Governments CCTA (Information Technology Center) advised that a national smart ID card would cost between five and eight pounds sterling per head 7, but this figure does not include administration, compliance etc. When he announced the introduction of a national ID card in August 1996, the Home Secretary, Michael Howard, advised that the cost as likely to be at least double the CCTA estimate (ten to fifteen pounds).

United Kingdom â€" Population: 60,441,457 June 2005 est.

So
£604,414,570
or
£906,621,855

The Observer: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/st...1494944,00.html

The Times makes it dearer again: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1859673,00.html

Further reading: http://www.privacy.org/pi/activities/idcard/idcard_faq.html

[Blunt]

The Madrid Bombers all had ID cards <_<

ID cards wouldn't have stopped the London bombers <_<

I'd like someone to explain exactly how ID cards are going to help stop terror attacks?

[DogMeat]

I'd like someone to explain how the government, with its utterly abysmal record of IT project cock-ups, overruns and astronomical overspends, expect to set up and run something as complicated as a national ID database...

Still, I have somewhere safe to store my new ID card - on top of a big, fat, powerful magnet.  And just to make sure I can find it in the dark, I'll keep it well illuminated with a UV lamp. :oops:

[Blunt]

Originally posted by DogMeat@Mar 16 2006, 10:51 PM
I'd like someone to explain how the government, with its utterly abysmal record of IT project cock-ups, overruns and astronomical overspends, expect to set up and run something as complicated as a national ID database...

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agreed...
ODPM* is trying to set up regional fire control centres and multi-agency controls too....they'll be farming 999s out to Indian call centres next...gawd 'elp us <_<

*Orifice of the Deputy Pie Monster

[target]

Originally posted by Blunt@Mar 16 2006, 10:31 PM
I'd like someone to explain exactly how ID cards are going to help stop terror attacks?

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It wouldn't, but it may help identify who was involved (if there is anything left to identify).

Its very similar to the Biometric information the US Immigration hold, none of that infomation would have prevented 9-11, but it may have helped identify those involved.

My 2 cents worth, anyway

[Dingo]

As we all sleepwalk (not co-incidental that booze and drugs are available freely) with the inherent belief that "our Government"  are looking after our interests towards becoming the first Police\Nanny state in the World......



YOU have been WARNED!! :blink:   :angry2:  :tumbleweed:

[A Twig]

If anyone reads Arena, there were some cracking articles in that last month. America's increasing removal of basic freedoms. Presidents who freely admit to impeachable offenses. A CIA increasingly out of control. Interesting stuff...