20 man instances..

[Vargen]

Well I have to say I whent a little overboard last night. There were a lot of factors playing in to my day being particularily crappy, but that is still no excuse. So sorry for being a jackass.

In my defence, I had been running around the server waiting for the ZG raid to start for around 10 hours that day, with not much of a healthy diet, so that alone had me in a crappy mood. The fact that I missed the last 4 ZG/AQ raids due to various reasons didn't help either as my goal is to reach exalted with the zandalar tribe.

None of this really matters, it's just a game, I know.

But as I was chatting with lunares about what classes were needed and how exited I was about finally kicking off in ZG that night, I managed to miss the invites. This apparently was terribly ammusing to certain people by the reactions to it. Well I accepted that I'd missed it, and settled for a queue spot, even though I was standing 2 inches from the instance when the invites came out.

I waited a few minutes and watched people riding by that apparently had been some distance away when the invites came out but still recieved them. They whent in to the instance, so I checked who was in the queue and who was in the raid and figured this is just rediculus.

In frustration I did a LFG in Stormwind, and to my surprise Alextrazas Keepers needed some more people for their raid. So I got a spot along with two others from SOG. But the thing is, the skill level of these guys got me even more pissed as not one person in the group knew what the hell they were doing(50 minus DKP!).

But you know what, not even that tipped me over the edge...
I was there, steaming, boiling with frustration, just seconds from logging off to cool down. Realizing how completely rediculus this was.
It took one person; with the diplomatic characteristics of a brick. THAT tipped me over...


But enough of this. It's just my view on last night. I will put it behind me. It doesn't matter. Whoooshaaaa...

On the positive side:
- I was in ZG the night the instance opened, and killed the first boss.
- I raided ZG and cleared the entire instance in one afternoon with Righteous including Hakkar.
- I raided ZG with CoC's group before SOG got a group together for regular raids.
- I was in the first sucsessful pure SOG raid to ZG


No hard feelings towards the people putting in the time to lead these raids, hell I know what it's like. And congratulations on knowing what we whent through before we came up with todays system for official raids.
Please understand how I can feel stepped on, when I have put in a fair share of the base for todays succsess.

I will stop rambling now, as this is going nowhere...

[noevra]

hugging vargen for the baddes day in wow his live.

[TeaLeaf]

:dummy:

/hugs GM

TL.

[Umbra]

*hugs*

(poor brick )

I'll send you a gnome to sit on in bear form, I know you enjoy that Varg.

Not sure how distance to instance is related to invites though...

Here's to hoping you stop having bad days, you scare me when you're angry

[Zabard]

I'd just like to add a couple of cents on this.

First of all, I guess this is getting more of a problem now that us new RG2 people are showing up and hogging the spaces.

I guess there will never be a perfect system, but there are a couple of advantages to joining on the web site in advance.

1. You know if you have a spot, so that you can plan for other things if you don't have one.
2. Invitations can start as soon as people log on, so that a raid can start earlier if all happen to log on earlier than 19:15.
3. We know in advance if the raid will be full, and if there is enough interest to try getting together a 2nd raid team.

Jemeny da sneaky one.

[Sinap]

/4 Whisper Dajo for BWL invite

[Mazii]

I must agree with Vargan

When you are standing just outside the instance waiting, the one who invites must take a look around and invite those that are there first (class needs ofcourse) and then go on to the gchat - that was what Opticalrush did in my first couple of ZG runs with you guys.

But keep up hte good job those that arranges the runs, it is allways fun beeing in a 20-man instance

[Menedil]

and what if theres 30 people stood around waiting outside the instance ?

i spoke with luna earlier today and we're going to talk with the others who organise the 20-man raids about systems for invites.

[lunares]

What menedil said.
For example we invite 3 per class max initially for balance. Now we have 4 pallys at the entrance. Then what should we do. Inviting people who are there works for a small time then we have the same problem of everyone beeing there. Besides for people who cannot come online before 19:10 or so its not fair also.

Lunares

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by lunares@Apr 7 2006, 12:00 AM
Besides for people who cannot come online before 19:10 or so its not fair also.

Good point.  One I often suffer from.

TL.

[Mazii]

I see your points Luna and Menedil. If 4 of a single class is outside the entrance when invites start we have a problem, and I have no idea how to solve it in a way everyone is happy with.

And TL, I suffer from that too. Before I leave, and I know we have a raid when I get back, I just place my character outside the instance and when I come back I''m ready for invite. Did that yesterday in MC.

[KreuZ]

Well basicly Vargen, I was getting sick myself of people complaining about the system so I said quit whining to you since basicly, you're the GM. And I don't think you can afford saying I have the diplomatic characteristics of a brick since you're just as bad yourself.  

This is the system they chose and there's no point of whining about it. All systems have their good and bad sides.

Edit: Typo's

[Deadlyspirit]

Originally posted by Mazii@Apr 7 2006, 02:51 PM
I see your points Luna and Menedil. If 4 of a single class is outside the entrance when invites start we have a problem, and I have no idea how to solve it in a way everyone is happy with.

Make them roll about the spots. but shoud not be nessesary.

[Sinap]

"KreuZ     
post Yesterday, 08:08 AM
Post #27


Unfortunate Noise"

^^That is indeed true

But on topic, its must be hard to please everybody, but seriously, if people are taht bothered about going, turn up, and two groups can go out, simple as Most of us all know someone in teh guild in real life, so give em a ring and get em on

[Luthor]

I really think that some sort of web application formulae for 20 man raids could be a nice idea, at least to see how it works, and that would eventually give "inviters" a chance of contacting Danu, which weve been raiding ZG with before to maybe join up and fill out spots in a ZG_2/AQ20_2 run, if they wanna offcourse.

Having a single 20 man raid is simply not enough when we effective have above 80 raiders. (i know many people dont pey much interest for 20 man ones, but about 50% appaers to do)

Jemeny good points you have, Ability to predict raid attendence must be a bonus.

I dont know maybe the application could include a time schedule saying im able to raid from 19:10 due to work, while other (im thinking about Vargen) was able to raid from 11:00 that would make it even more possible to have 2 raids a day, an early and a late, so alts were able to help in the late one, or AQ then proceeding to ZG in the evening.

The Signup part dosnt nescesarely have to require loads of time, it could be a simple first to enlist first to serve. then look the list through and count, 1 paladin, 2 paladins, 3 paladins THE END! then proceed with another class from the top, untill raid is filled with raiders, offcourse that would give some problems with people not having internet access, but that problem might partially be sorted by trying to setup 2 groups, since that dosnt seem possible we can try to get in "PUG" (Danu people +random friends) they could always be spread around, so that a group dosnt "suffer" due to poorly integrated people in our raids.

As i said before, i would love to help out on this matter, if my help is needed. may that be due to lack of time, or ideas.


Regards

Luthor