9-11 Pentagon Attack

[Dewey]

Originally posted by Benny@May 17 2006, 09:22 AM
And a little more debunking the views that were/are held by David Griffin

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The programmes I've seen, actually debunk some of the info you've just pinned there benny, not all of it but some. I'm not swayed by over excited journo's but when experts tell you somethings don't add up I'm more inclinded to believe them, especially if they are neutral.

Perhaps the truth is somewhere between the two? I doubt we'll ever know  

[Benny]

Originally posted by Dewey@May 17 2006, 10:30 AM
The programmes I've seen, actually debunk some of the info you've just pinned there benny, not all of it but some. I'm not swayed by over excited journo's but when experts tell you somethings don't add up I'm more inclinded to believe them, especially if they are neutral.

Perhaps the truth is somewhere between the two? I doubt we'll ever know

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Absolutely, I don't doubt that there are false claims on both sides. I have seen some of the same shows - ain't Discovery a great channel.

It's the same in all walks, one pro's opinion usually contradicts another.

[suicidal_monkey]

Originally posted by Benny@May 17 2006, 09:37 AM
It's the same in all walks, one pro's opinion usually contradicts another.

and that one word in there pretty much sums up the problem with this...
opinion
...what we really need to know the answers is fact. Unfortunately we're unlikely to get anything solid

[A Twig]

Originally posted by Dewey@May 17 2006, 09:18 AM
Would the US govt deliberately kill its own civilians and destroy 2 of its world reknowned buildings and business centers to raise US and world sympthathy and support for a war on another country and to take control of their oil?

And did this action improve support for Bushs upcoming presidential elections?

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That's one of the main points of V for Vendetta (bloody good film that) and to be honest it actually wouldnt suprise me if something along those lines happened...

[Dewey]

Kinda related, but did anyone see someone had used the Freedom of Information Act to get a UFO dossier from the RAF?  

[sulky_uk]

also quoting the discov. channel, the reason that the twin towers collaposed in the fashion they did was due to the construction of the buildings and the aging of the fire resistant materials. The building was weakened by the crashing yes, but what stopped ppl getting out of the building was

a) the lack of  fire/ impact protection surrounding the lifts shafts and fire escapes thus blocking them

b) the putting of mutiple aerials on the roof in recent years made it impossible for the north tower to have a helipad, and the one on the south tower wasnt used due to smoke coming from the north tower stopping the helo's getting in

c) the building construction was unique in that the strength was on the outside and the components relied on the surrounding supports for strength and when the plane hit, this severly weekend the building and with the heat the structure bowed until it collapsed on  the floor below and then it as the streses became to much it accelerated , that is why it collapsed in thay fashion, but as proved in tests conduction by the discov. chan had the aging fire resisitant material been replaced in the early nineties (like it was supposed to) the supports wouldnt have collapsed as quick ultimatly getting more ppl out of the buildings, unfortunalty the ppl above were doomed see points a+b

d) the building was designed to take the impact of a boeing 707 and a 767 is a little heavier but not enough to make a differance see here   which points again at the fire retardent failing

e) not fitting an agesis anti air system to the building didnt help

[Thulsa Doom]

Originally posted by Dewey@May 17 2006, 10:05 AM
I thought it was interesting on hearing the Firemens conversations about their being bomb explosion damage to the foundations when they first went into the building - not just one account but many by the firemen there.

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Maybe they never cleaned up after the first attempt.

[suicidal_monkey]

Originally posted by sulky_uk@May 17 2006, 01:50 PM
e) not fitting an agesis anti air system to the building didnt help

[A Twig]

Originally posted by Dewey@May 17 2006, 01:08 PM
Kinda related, but did anyone see someone had used the Freedom of Information Act to get a UFO dossier from the RAF?

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Yeah although that was about 4 years ago...

[Gorion]

Originally posted by Dewey@May 17 2006, 10:18 AM
Perhaps the real question is....

Would the US govt deliberately kill its own civilians and destroy 2 of its world reknowned buildings and business centers to raise US and world sympthathy and support for a war on another country and to take control of their oil?

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imo... YES...

usa wants to dominate... just check the iran thingy going on now..

[Benny]

Originally posted by Gorion@May 17 2006, 08:56 PM
imo... YES...

usa wants to dominate... just check the iran thingy going on now..

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You *honestly* believe that a country cannot find a more subtle way than flying 2 commercial airliners full of civilians into two huge towers, full of civilians?
Not to mention the 3rd jet into the floor. I'm surprised they didn't all wrap towels around their heads and scream 'admiral akbar' and drop an H-Bomb on Manhattan and blame Belgium.

If you do, great. I'll leave my tinfoil hat at the door.

[A Twig]

They did that - but blaming Belgium doesnt really get any world notice these days...

Were the planes definitely civilian airliners full of passengers? The problem is because the whole story was so carefully controlled by the Government there wasn't a complete disclosure and as such all these theories come up.

Flight lists etc etc are still in Gov possession, so people start wondering why they want to hang on to them....

[Dr Sadako]

http://www.911review.com
http://www.september11news.com

[Gorion]

Originally posted by Benny@May 17 2006, 09:58 PM
You *honestly* believe that a country cannot find a more subtle way than flying 2 commercial airliners full of civilians into two huge towers, full of civilians?
Not to mention the 3rd jet into the floor. I'm surprised they didn't all wrap towels around their heads and scream 'admiral akbar' and drop an H-Bomb on Manhattan and blame Belgium.

If you do, great. I'll leave my tinfoil hat at the door.

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you sure there were civilians aboard? do you have proof? and if you have.. are you sure they were civilians and not criminals on a death row.. and even so.. you think that the gov cant buy/threaten its own people?

this is usa.. they do what they want to do, if they saw a war with iraq a benefit they would do it.. just check the prices of oil escalation in the last 2 years.. and tell me that ime wrong

[Dr Sadako]

Watch this documentary. Puts Michael Moore to shame

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...&q=loose+change

Very interesting.