Goals for RG1

[TeaLeaf]

Now that the chip is off our shoulders I would like us to set an immediate goal for RG1 - to clear BWL on Sundays.  
The expectation should be there to clear this instance in one night, before 12:00 server time.
I think we should announce this to the members as an immediate stated goal.

If succesful then we use Tuesday to immediately start work on AQ40 - we can make quick progress there on Skeram and will soon be deeper into the instance.  People want AQ40 and we should offer it to them as a reward for clearing BWL in a single night.  When that's done then they know we get a dedicated AQ40 night.

And if we're planning to make any changes to DKP for AQ40 then we better make them this week, because Skeram is down next week to SoG imo.

My 2 cents.

TL.

[Padding]

TL, im totally with you on this one and its not unrealistic at all. We do need to move a LOT faster from firemaw to Nefarius if we need to rely on the Flask of Titans for the fight, unless we want to spend 2x5 Flasks of Titans on one night

DKP wise i feel its about the time that we split the DKP from RG1 and RG2. Since we want to "separate" the raid-groups from eachother, we should also split the DKP sites. Now that doesnt mean that we cant add some RG1 DKP to a RG2 DKP member but it should generally not be the case. A lot of RG2 members has been asking for this, and i feel this is the right time to do it.

[TeaLeaf]

Maybe use our server 'downtime' to discuss DKP on TS tonight at say 20:00 server time?

TL.

[Bastet]

Originally posted by Padding@Jun 28 2006, 10:01 AM
TL, im totally with you on this one and its not unrealistic at all. We do need to move a LOT faster from firemaw to Nefarius if we need to rely on the Flask of Titans for the fight, unless we want to spend 2x5 Flasks of Titans on one night

DKP wise i feel its about the time that we split the DKP from RG1 and RG2. Since we want to "separate" the raid-groups from eachother, we should also split the DKP sites. Now that doesnt mean that we cant add some RG1 DKP to a RG2 DKP member but it should generally not be the case. A lot of RG2 members has been asking for this, and i feel this is the right time to do it.

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We only spend 4 flasks on the last BWL (over 2 days) 3 on broodlord and 1 on nefarion. Also why split the dkp? what good will it do? the Rg2 members have priority in RG2 raids. And with us solving the attendance problem, which id hope to do next week the RG2 members earning more dkp in RG1 raids will be history.

[TeaLeaf]

We certainly do not want to spend 10 flasks that's for sure, themats cost would cripple us.  But we use less than that, so we're probably ok.  If we limit ourselves to 3 for Broodlord and 1 mor ein reserve for Nefarian then we'd be ok, but I really would like to be able to do Nefarian on the original flask.

As for splitting the DKP, I'm not sure we need to split RG1 and RG2, but we can discuss it later tonight. I'm more interested in discussing whether or not we start a new DKP for AQ and having that discussion.

TL.

[Bastet]

i dont think we need to, but anyhow, lets meet up on thursday before the raid and agree on a time in the weekend then. cause we need to get this done fast, and not just this but all the other stuff we need to talk about too...

[Padding]

I cant be there tonight sorry, im at a board meeting until late and after that im seeing my GF

I should rdy tomorrow to chat away tho

[Bastet]

That and its a bit short notice, since not every1 sees the forum a lot of us. So agreeing on a time tomorrow would be the next best thing

[KreuZ]

Suggestion for DKP system.

Split AQ40 away from everything else. Otherwise the DKP system will be flawed. Have an Hour-DKP system where you only get 1 DKP per hour in AQ40, nothing else.

1DKP an hour in AQ40 would mean about 5DKP a week later and then onto 10DKP.

So I was thinking of setting the Item cost on:
Armor item = 15DKP
2h Weapon = 25DKP
1h Weapon/Off Hand/Shield = 15DKP

This should balance the system out to almost 0 at the end of the instance and should also help us with attendance in AQ40 since it'll be harder to get DKP. Rewarding will also be even better since you don't get enough DKP for showing just up on clear runs.

But if we would use this we would have to make a new site split off from MC/BWL DKP but we should use the MC/BWL DKP system while in MC/BWL. And when we would start on Naxxramas or any new instance after that. We would just reset DKP for that instance while using AQ40 DKP for AQ40. We would still be able to use exactly the same system.

Another thing I'd like to add is Decaying DKP. So that if you don't buy any items for 30 days or so(not sure on this one), you would lose 10% of your DKP. This stops DKP whoring from happening totally.

[TeaLeaf]

Extra DKP sites are not a problem as we can set up as many as we want.  I haven't thought through the maths of zeroing the DKP with those rates, but I pretty much agree on everything else.  The only thing we would need to take care of would be the decay.  There are some cases (like Vargen's leggings) where it is lack of opportunity and I'm not sure that we should penalise Vargen for that!

Anyway, as Bastet says let's leave this until Thursday when we can have a good TS chat.

And DAMN it's gonna be good to have a full set of Mages in the raid again :clap:

TL.

[lunares]

Originally posted by KreuZ@Jun 28 2006, 01:00 PM
Another thing I'd like to add is Decaying DKP. So that if you don't buy any items for 30 days or so(not sure on this one), you would lose 10% of your DKP. This stops DKP whoring from happening totally.

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This can also be a bad thing. I get the point but say you only rly want 1 item and it does not drop for 2 months then you loose dkp cause the drops are luck based. That cant be right. And imo spending then dkp to get a item you dont rly want just to keep your dkp and maybe even get it before a member who actually wants it is also not the best thing. I think a bit more discussion is needed on this subject. I like the general idea.

Lunares