Ice barrier discussion

[Ubar]

Hello mages,
i wanna speak about Ice barrier, the last frost talent;
i think it was not so power, but when blizzard changed mage talents and decide to put the cooldown of Ice barrier of 30 sec i have found it very important for my character.
 
This discussion is born because last time in BWL RG2 try to do Valestrasz and we arrived at 4% , and i saw there that Ice barrier take me in life untill the end of the battle ( if i'm not burning) and combinate with fire ward is foundamental; so i told on sogmages to use Ice barrier every 30 sec but some mages said that they don't have it also if they are frost.
 
Ice barrier costs only 1 point of the talent and i think that is well spent, the better talent of the mage for istances and MC and BWL( till where rg2 is arrived).
 
I ask you what do you think of it? and do you think guild can ask mages to respect to take Ice barrier? ( naturally if guild ask guild pay i think)
 
plz reply
 
thx
 
Ubar

[Mazii]

I think all mages should consider getting the talent.

[t-lor]

Wel im one of those mages who didnt have ice-barrier even though im frost/arc. The reason is i used to have it earlier but didnt think much about it. the continues recasting annoyed me, and the benefits were not that great. So when i had to test magic absorbtion (has it uses, but farely limited.  and i had no mana problems to begin with, although new rank frostbolt is fixing that ) that was one of the points i borrowed for it
 
However i havent tried the new version, and i can surely see the need for it in the vael fight. (as u might have noticed i was getting very anoyed yesterday when i kept dying within 30 sec from the nova) Should last me another 2 blasts. between that and fireward i might just stay alive
(although on 2 last 2 tries i had a healer. sure made a difference )
 
so i wil have to respec once again
ive settled down to this build
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?0050050000000000000000000000000005353233102351131
fairly straightforward ice/10 arc build i think. i just took 2 point out of winterchill and into permafreeze. cause i think that in raid winterchill with 4 frost mages is maxed out in 5 sec anyway, and in solo'íng the slowing is gonna help me out more.
 
Would like to have some imput from my fellow mages on it though
 
 
to bad i just spend my last few gold on the mats for +30 spellpower. could hardly pay for the repairbill. let alone the 40g respec cost
So some grinding is in order i think

[Ubar]

yes Tlor your link on the possible new talents is good, i liked it :smile:
 
Anyway if you change it for the possible guild asking i think guild will pay the respect, if you wanna change it by yourself SoG never give you gold.:happy:
 
I'd like to know what all other think about it...and see if we can or not ask all mages to have it.
 
Ubar

[Keltor]

ice barrier powns...nuff said

[t-lor]

Glad u likedthe build
im trying to find a extra point for imp icecone. but i think this wil have to do......
 
As for guild paying my respec cost. i wasnt expecting it, but if they want to i wont complain . I should have it done before next raid.
 
which unfortunatly is more then i can say for that flask of power. With me working the 2 days between raids, theres just no way i can get that farmed before next bwl Should be able to get/make 1 for next time in bwl. (never used one before,  sounds kinda cool )
although i find farming the 40 dreamfoil and silversage to timeconsuming and frustrating (theres to many herby's on this server, and my herbalist being a lvl51 doesnt help either lol)to do it every week, not to mention getting my hands on a lotus ........

[Greatdanes]

I will have to agree with Mazii - this will keep you alive for a little bit longer and maybe that's the time we need to get him down.
 
Great post Ubar :thumbsup2:

[Xelfer]

If u are a rg2 player and u will spend some time on Vael and later on Firemaw, only then will ice barrier be worth it. Icebarrier is really mana consuming, but its nice for those fights.

[Ubar]

i found Ice barrier good not only for those battle, also for Ragnaros and Domo!!
yeah it is not cheap for mana  , but they are well used, and frost mages never have mana problems, frost spells are not so expenxive. ( and if we need it we can do evocation)
 
My experience is that i finish mana( and then use evocation) only with Raggy  Garr and Golemag, with others frost mage has not so many problem with mana:happy:
 
Ubar

[Deadlyspirit]

I have to agree. A total nice talent. I used to have it my self, but changed to 21/0/30 some mounth ago.

Another thing mages. If you are having a hard time to stay up for the fight. Why not get mats for a fire pot too. that shoud help you out for alot of dmg.

[Sheperdbook]

I have to agree that Ice Barrier is nice, but asking people to respec should be done with caution.

Ice Barrier is at the bottom of the Frost Tree, thus it's not really 1 point expenditure but 31 points.


Shep
(& Bambewhistle)