SOG - What does the future hold

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I've been doing some thinking lately and im gonna try to outline some plots where i think we might get some more progress in the guild by discussing these things and maybe do some things a bit more structured
 
Raid Calendar
 
I'd like to see the raid calender back, outlining the exact days and places we are raiding. I've never been a part of the random raids, and im not actually sure they are doing us good. If we cant get members to join our raids, we either have the wrong ones or not enough
 
Instances
 
Yes, there is still few people could benefit from things from Molten Core (like me) but its mostly upgrades and thats why i say we drop Molten Core from now on, and only revisit it 1 time a month, or if we really dont have enough for BWL or AQ. If we want progress, and i know our members really do, we need to set all sails on BWL / AQ.
 
More flexibility in the Raids
 
This is a tricky part. We seem to be stuck on some silly rules sometimes. Rules are there for a reason, and i stick by them no matter what, but sometimes we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
 
Soldiers in the raid i still think its a good idea. So maybe they are not kitted super good, that doesnt mean that they cant be helpful. The other night in BWL, we might've downed Nefairan having 3-4 soldiers with us.
 
We need a pool of players, who doesnt make us cancel raids. Remember that soldier are potiential new RG1 or RG2 players, so getting them items and experience, might prove helpful later. RG2 cant lend us members anymore so we need other people to help us.
 
Worried about the loot, just make a rule saying 1 item at the max in that particular raid and regular members have priority ofcourse. They are helping out, and should be rewarded, just not as much.
 
I'd also like to see us try the instances with fewer members that nominated. We shouldnt let us stop because we are lacking 5 in BWL. We almost did the whole BWL the other day with 35-37, and that was cool. Lets continue doing that.
 
Faster processing of new applications
 
Sometimes we seem to be too slow procession new applicants, and our raids have problems because we do. I think we should either go back to the polls on the websites we had earlier for faster processing, or make a weekly (at least) day where we talk new applicants. We are very vulnerable in RG1 when we are lacking 1-2 members in a specific class, and our raids is showing it
 
Advertising for new members
 
There should be more consistency in where we are advertising for new members, since people will actually look in those places. Bastet just posted on the Unofficial WoW forums the other day, and i pasted that onto the new Official Blizzard Realms forums today. That means that people know we are looking for serious new members and we might get more serious players applying that way
 
Should also be more advertised internally on our own forums, so that friends can tell other friends. We actually got a few good members that way
 
Giving officers specific jobs
 
There seems to be a disharmony among the officers workload, and without criticising specific people we need some of the work spread out amongst all of us. It would also be nice to always have an idea about who is doing what.
 
This is a tricky subject i know, and maybe people dont wanna go into this, but i think it can help us making things a bit more easy. Then we dont need to dicuss who does what, its automatically selected if the people are in the raid
 
One example being, Vargen always ML and f.ex. Padding on the backup. So if Vargen is here, he does it, otherwise me or perhaps a third one. Same goes for stuff like DKP, Raid Leading, AFK Dude, Queue, Applications and a lot of other tasks that we can formalise.
 
Conclusion
 
The only reason why we are behind other guilds and people are switching to those guilds, is because they have more raid days. I've been investigating this for some time, and thats definately my conclusion. They have more raid days, and are therefore more dedicated. I still think that SOG should continue the way we are running with raids at the moment, but we need to put our efforts to where we want to progress at all costs.
 
This post may in NO WAY be seen at criticism, since its written with the sole purpose of moving SOG in the right decision. If someone feels its personal, its not intended that way.
 
Looking forward to hear from you all

[Bastet]

Dang padmeister, thats a LONG post :tongue: heres mine:
 
Raid Calendar
 
We cannot do this due to the fact that we aim to raid to 4 places. And currently this works for us.
 
On the same topic, i would like to propose a poll to all guardian members about a fourth day of raiding, and maybe also one asking them if they want to do AQ40 or naxx, especialy since our very sucsessfull raid there last nite.
 
I myselfs i would like to skip Naxx. Also, if this is not accepted, then i would like to propose a single extra day for the purpose of completing the quest Echoes of War so that when we actualy have a boss kill we can work on making the items.
 
Instances
 
I agree on dropping down MC even further, or stopping at all. As for AQ see my above comment :smile:
 
More flexibility in the Raids
 
Getting a soldier like sinap in i dont have a problem with, but a lot of ppl have no experiance what so ever, and some fights float heavyly on the experiance of the members, and lot less so on actual quantity. Hard one this one, but i tend to say dont invite any1 thats not RG1.
 
Faster processing of new applications
 
Applicants are processed within the week, which makes us faster then most the big guilds, but we also aim to get decent applicants, and not just pluck random ppl off the street, we ask for member feedback. I dont like the poll system, specialy since you cant get the POV from the other officers.
 
Advertising for new members
 
Ties in with the one bellow.
 
Giving officers specific jobs
 
i think we allready do this to some degree.
TL is raidlead
Kreuz/Pent is DKP
I is Attedence site, forum post upkeep (SOG forum), AFK.
But we might want to put something down more clearly, like the RG2 job discrip TL made for the marshals. requires further discussion.
 
Conclusion
 
As i worked down along the post and commenting as i went, i allready commented on this higher up

[Tanales]

This is some of my thoughts and solutions.

Raid Calendar
This can defenetly be done even with 4 diffrent places, it dont have to be the same every week.
The calendar dont have to be in-game so what we could do is make an online one if not use the one we have on the forum,
but im afraid that eventually would be overtaken completely by SoG raids then.
And with a more flexible Raidcalendar we could do for example Naxx 3-4 days in a row.

Instances
We shouldnt drop MC completely, many still wants/needs items from there so i would say we do MC with a 2 or 3 week intervall.
AQ40 shoulnt be skipped completely either as that place have some uniqe fights and the group need to learn how to pickup new tactics, and the items that drops will help progress in Naxx.

More flexibility in the Raids
Soldiers shouldnt be in RG1, atleast not in BWL and up.
Exeptions could be made for ex-RG1 members with sufficent gear for the instance/bossfight we might need them for.

Advertising for new members
Yes this could be done more efficently, post should be made on our forums, official aszune forums, unofficial aszune forums and perhaps a guild website? when we Really need new ppl.

Giving officers specific jobs
I allready see most of us having roles, we just havent handed out titels to eachother yet.

Conclusion
We could use a guild website to run the guild more efficently, want me to try and set one up?

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We could use a guild website to run the guild more efficently, want me to try and set one up?

What do you mean exactly by this?

[Bastet]

After a chat w/ padmeister, i come to the next:

• 4th raid day, poll members about how to distribute days over week.
• Fixed raids back to asure swift start. (can we ninja dMw calander for this?)
• Raid table asuming 3 days, BWL/AQ/AQ alternating with BWL/Nax/Nax with MC beeing run once a month or biweekly.
• Raid table asuming 4 days, BWL/AQ/AQ/Nax alternating with BWL/AQ/Nax/Nax with MC beeing run once a month or biweekly.
• A list of tasks and the officers that do them should be made, to give an idea who does what, so that we maybe can redo the workloadshare.
• Related to that, guildbanks should have a one week turn arround time on requests, also send a denied msg back if the request is not honored.
• Also padding will be taking care off the recruitment posts on other sites then our own forum, i will still maintain the list on the recruitment forum.
• Defenders should be allowed on our naxx / aq40 raids. Once RG2 gets to the point they will start raiding these on thier own, then give them thier own DKP system (very long therm/consult with marshals)
• There should be a weekly meeting on a non raid day/well before a raid in weekend for fieldmarshals to discuss things in calm, not beeing rushed by raid invites.

And heres another point from me alone, now short and clear:

• We might want to set up a one time raid, to complete the killing of trash quest in Naxx, this so that when we kill a boss a good chunk of the raid group has a chance to actualy make the item.
• Sujestion for this: Officers control, dkp given, dkp taken for possible random drops.
• About Naxx dkp, we want to give out 1 free items, which is more then 5% of AQ40 dkp, and more like 40%, should be discussed further plx.

[Vargen]

Just a quick comment through the list:

• 4th raid day, poll members about how to distribute days over week.
  
• Fixed raids back to asure swift start. (can we ninja dMw calander for this?)
  
• Raid table asuming 3 days, BWL/AQ/AQ alternating with BWL/Nax/Nax with MC beeing run once a month or biweekly.
  
• Raid table asuming 4 days, BWL/AQ/AQ/Nax alternating with BWL/AQ/Nax/Nax with MC beeing run once a month or biweekly.

This is what I had in mind as well. But not too sure about the poll
 

• A list of tasks and the officers that do them should be made, to give an idea who does what, so that we maybe can redo the workloadshare.

Would be nice to have some definitions
 

• Related to that, guildbanks should have a one week turn arround time on requests, also send a denied msg back if the request is not honored.

What was originally planned as well
 

• Also padding will be taking care off the recruitment posts on other sites then our own forum, i will still maintain the list on the recruitment forum.

Agreed
 

• Defenders should be allowed on our naxx / aq40 raids. Once RG2 gets to the point they will start raiding these on thier own, then give them thier own DKP system (very long therm/consult with marshals)

Agreed
 

• There should be a weekly meeting on a non raid day/well before a raid in weekend for fieldmarshals to discuss things in calm, not beeing rushed by raid invites.

This would be a nice change, but might be hard to dodge all the other stuff we do irl and stuff.
 
And heres another point from me alone, now short and clear:

• We might want to set up a one time raid, to complete the killing of trash quest in Naxx, this so that when we kill a boss a good chunk of the raid group has a chance to actualy make the item.
  
• Sujestion for this: Officers control, dkp given, dkp taken for possible random drops.

Sounds good.
 

• About Naxx dkp, we want to give out 1 free items, which is more then 5% of AQ40 dkp, and more like 40%, should be discussed further plx.

The idea was to give a headstart, not really a free item. But we could up it a bit.

[Tanales]

What do you mean exactly by this?

I mean that we gather the application information, mabe have an application form there also, raid calendar, raid progress, news, links to DKP systems and so on on a single website so that members and applicants have a better view over what we are up to and give some more centralized control to us.

• About Naxx dkp, we want to give out 1 free items, which is more then 5% of AQ40 dkp, and more like 40%, should be discussed further plx.

The idea was to give a headstart, not really a free item. But we could up it a bit.

Decide on that percentage soon, i want to make the adjustments ASAP. i would suggest somewhere between 15% - 30%.

[Padding]

I mean that we gather the application information, mabe have an application form there also, raid calendar, raid progress, news, links to DKP systems and so on on a single website so that members and applicants have a better view over what we are up to and give some more centralized control to us.

Oh.... so a specific website instead (or on top of the forums). Wont that undermine the forums?

[lunares]

After a chat w/ padmeister, i come to the next:

• 4th raid day, poll members about how to distribute days over week.
• Fixed raids back to asure swift start. (can we ninja dMw calander for this?)
• Raid table asuming 3 days, BWL/AQ/AQ alternating with BWL/Nax/Nax with MC beeing run once a month or biweekly.
• Raid table asuming 4 days, BWL/AQ/AQ/Nax alternating with BWL/AQ/Nax/Nax with MC beeing run once a month or biweekly.

This sounds pretty good. Though i wonder if the poll wont give more trouble then it solves.

• A list of tasks and the officers that do them should be made, to give an idea who does what, so that we maybe can redo the workloadshare.

Agreed

• Related to that, guildbanks should have a one week turn arround time on requests, also send a denied msg back if the request is not honored.

Agreed. (also includes Zgbank and aqb?)

• Also padding will be taking care off the recruitment posts on other sites then our own forum, i will still maintain the list on the recruitment forum.

Agreed

• Defenders should be allowed on our naxx / aq40 raids. Once RG2 gets to the point they will start raiding these on thier own, then give them thier own DKP system (very long therm/consult with marshals)

Agreed

• There should be a weekly meeting on a non raid day/well before a raid in weekend for fieldmarshals to discuss things in calm, not beeing rushed by raid invites.

Very much agreed (though with the 20 man it can he a bit hectic)
 
And heres another point from me alone, now short and clear:

• We might want to set up a one time raid, to complete the killing of trash quest in Naxx, this so that when we kill a boss a good chunk of the raid group has a chance to actualy make the item.
• Sujestion for this: Officers control, dkp given, dkp taken for possible random drops.

Agreed

• About Naxx dkp, we want to give out 1 free items, which is more then 5% of AQ40 dkp, and more like 40%, should be discussed further plx.

Agreed but it should be in the line what you got from bwl to aq40 imo

Lunares

[Ragnarh]

Give the same DKP bonus to the players in Naxx as you gave them in AQ.
When I sugested that we use AQ for base for the Naxx dkp ,I was under the impression that we vould finish moest of AQ before going Naxx. But seeing as BWL stil is the base effort at this point to getting uss there (raid wise)use the exsact same bonus you gave to the AQ for keeping it simple.

[Tanales]

ok, im going to use the 5% from AQ and add that to Naxx then.

@padding: no it wont undermine the forums, thats still the way for members to communicate out of game.
dMw have a frontend website so why shouldnt we have something similar?

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@padding: no it wont undermine the forums, thats still the way for members to communicate out of game.
dMw have a frontend website so why shouldnt we have something similar?

Aha yes, now that i think about it, i really like the idea. Might also be a page where we can show off own latest accomplishments and so on
 
If you have the time, i'd very much like to see what you can come up with Tanales

[TeaLeaf]

The aim of the front end is to have content pointed to from that front end - and tbh how many members to we think we attrach because they have seen a website?  However, the new portal can have as much content as we want and it's up to us to come up with the content we want to see there.

TL.

[Padding]

When is the new portal up?

[Bastet]

After a chat w/ padmeister, i come to the next:

• 4th raid day, poll members about how to distribute days over week.
• Fixed raids back to asure swift start. (can we ninja dMw calander for this?)
• Raid table asuming 3 days, BWL/AQ/AQ alternating with BWL/Nax/Nax with MC beeing run once a month or biweekly.
• Raid table asuming 4 days, BWL/AQ/AQ/Nax alternating with BWL/AQ/Nax/Nax with MC beeing run once a month or biweekly.

Poll will be given out, after result is in, then we talk further.

• A list of tasks and the officers that do them should be made, to give an idea who does what, so that we maybe can redo the workloadshare.

Undiscussed.

• Related to that, guildbanks should have a one week turn arround time on requests, also send a denied msg back if the request is not honored.

Agreed upon

• Also padding will be taking care off the recruitment posts on other sites then our own forum, i will still maintain the list on the recruitment forum.

So shall it be done :smile:

• Defenders should be allowed on our naxx / aq40 raids. Once RG2 gets to the point they will start raiding these on thier own, then give them thier own DKP system (very long therm/consult with marshals)

Ask marshals

• There should be a weekly meeting on a non raid day/well before a raid in weekend for fieldmarshals to discuss things in calm, not beeing rushed by raid invites.

And heres another point from me alone, now short and clear:

• We might want to set up a one time raid, to complete the killing of trash quest in Naxx, this so that when we kill a boss a good chunk of the raid group has a chance to actualy make the item.
• Sujestion for this: Officers control, dkp given, dkp taken for possible random drops.

Possibly first 4th raid day

• About Naxx dkp, we want to give out 1 free items, which is more then 5% of AQ40 dkp, and more like 40%, should be discussed further plx.

5% will be given to sort out a list that isnt all equal.