Loot rules?

[Sinap]

Ok, i've just picked up everybody's 2 cents in this post, and theres a lot of people now owing me around 1g, so please them it to me in-game okthxbye!

ROTFL, :laugh:

My opinion on the issue? Use common sence. If you can see that someone else might want the item that would put it to more use in a PvE (not PvP) environment which would benefit the raid, dont fecking take it. It WILL drop again, so you take it that time, I mean... if you take an item that you will only use for PvPing, thats just preventing the raid group as a whole from progressing in end game. And I swear if any rofldin or huntard takes Ashkandi before Dajo im gonna fly to where ever the hell you live and do erm... something...so Dajo can shut the hell up every week in whispers just before a Nef kill :narnar:

Tbh, the officers have tried to put dkp systems in place in the with priorities, but people still bitched, so they gave up, fair play to 'em really, Its not the officers fault, they dont wanna **** people off, its just a general lack of common sense tbh.

Edit : Awesome, just realised i've posted near enough the exact same thing as Bastet and I skipped reading page 4 and 5

[Zabard]

There is one think you have to keep in mind when it comes to common sense. The way our 40 man raids do loot is that you whisper the ML if you want it. This way, you don't know if someone that have more use of it wants it. So, if you should use your common sense and think "someone might need this more than me", then you would never get it, cause you can't whisper for it. Here's where the ML comes in. A simple "a hunter also wants this bow, would you like to pass it to a hunter?" would solve this. Otherwise, you get an item, not knowing that you took the item before someone that could have more use of it. In 20 man raids this is no problem, as we roll for it, and everyone can use this common sense thing that ppl keep talking about.

[Bob]

There is one think you have to keep in mind when it comes to common sense. The way our 40 man raids do loot is that you whisper the ML if you want it. This way, you don't know if someone that have more use of it wants it. So, if you should use your common sense and think "someone might need this more than me", then you would never get it, cause you can't whisper for it. Here's where the ML comes in. A simple "a hunter also wants this bow, would you like to pass it to a hunter?" would solve this. Otherwise, you get an item, not knowing that you took the item before someone that could have more use of it. In 20 man raids this is no problem, as we roll for it, and everyone can use this common sense thing that ppl keep talking about.

That work does not need, and should not need to be on the ML.  Yesterday for instance, the Taut Dragonhide Shoulderpads dropped from Chromaggus.  They would have been a nice addition to my feral gear (actually my feral gear sucks atm, have lots of greens and blues, so it would have been a big upgrade), but a rogue would do more use of 'em than me - at least in a raid.
The way I solved this, was that I whispered Vargen "[Taut Dragonhide Shoulderpads], but I pass for rogues".
That way Vargen knows that I want it, but if some rogue whisper for it as well, he can pass it along to him/here.  And that was actually what happened - Eva got herself a new pair of shoulderpads, and I'm happy with that - I can wait till next time :smile:

It don't has to be harder than that Zabard.

[TeaLeaf]

The type of work/whispering mentioned above by Bob and Zabard already goes on - and I would urge all members to do the same.


TL.

[Sandrion]

If everyone uses common sense (and isn't being greedy) the current system should work well. But appearantly that isn't the case.
 
Personally I would perfer the items to be (partially) distributed at the main looter's descretion. For most items it's obvious what classes benefit from it most. If the ML makes a wrong decision we can discuss it afterwards and they will only be ****ed at him. If we stick to the DKP is DKP system we have now a war might break out between certain classes :unsure: , since they are 'stealing' eachother's items. Out of those two senarios I prefer the former.
 
 
I wouldn't be too strict though, here are some examples:
 
If a hunter and a rouge both want brutality blade consider them both; yes it's better for the rouge, but it's also one of the best hunter weapons. If he wants it and he has more DKP he can have it. On the other hand if a hunter and a rouge both want a no stats high DPS weapon, the hunter can forget about it, they're a ranged class and won't really gain anything from it.
 
Another example is the heavy dark iron ring, which I want badly since I'm feral/bear specced. However I definately would want that to go to a prot warrior first and I will also mention that if I whisper for the item. I also did that when the amulet of steadfast might dropped last raid, appearantly none of the warriors wanted it :blink: , so I got it. I won't pass on the ring for an arms or fury warriors though, since there main role is not tanking and the item goes better with my spec. Feral druids get nearly 4 times as much armor from it and 20% more stamina. (And you will definately want me to be feral in the expansion if the leaked talent trees are correct :happy: , so I better get geared for it).
 
Or the end of dreams even. It's definately a druid weapon, but purely from a healer's point of view a pally or a priest could make great use of it as well, since it has a lot of +healing and mana/5 on it. Additionally druids are usually are 'not allowed to use there forms'. But if either of those two classes get it before a druid, that would seriously suck.
 
 
In other words please be considerate when you whisper for an item, if you want it as backup or 'fun' item, please mention it when you whisper for it. So the ML has some more info to base his decision on. Farming items is not the sole goal of raiding; yes it's nice to have them but they are just a means for progression, if people are being greedy they will indirectly hinder progression and thus crew over the entire raidgroup. I would definately want the ML's to saveguard this, so items aren't 'wasted' on the wrong people. Lets hope they don't have to intervene very often.
 
 
There you go Padding, 2 more cents :tongue: .
 
Edit: I just noticed that I partially repeated the above post. I should type a bit faster next time .

[Padding]

Tbh, the officers have tried to put dkp systems in place in the with priorities, but people still bitched, so they gave up

We never gave up, we just decided that the most fair for all classes is purely DKP. We do rely on people to use the top-most head when considering items. We need those items to fulfill our missions and completing the hardest dungeons.
 
Again i urge all to write a list of the items they want, with priorities. Only by doing that, you'll actually consider if its a need or a nice for your class.

[Vargen]

And as a note, I whisper the one winning the item telling him who is runner up usually if it is not a typical item for his class, giving ppl the chance to pass it on to a more typical class.

[!Xblast]

hi,

afta reading all this, i think some ppl might wanna re-think the reasons why dey want an item b4 /w for it like the vis'kag that dropped.

lets say if they:

1. think it was an upgrade when its clearly not
2. want epic in slot
3. want to annoy warriors/rogues for taking melee weap all the time,

those are examples of not thinking correctly cos if im not mistakened, the hunter dat got the sword replaced it less than 3 days later wen he completed his warblade set?

i kno things will drop again but it takes time and teamwork...and in this scenario, a 4% drop rate.

point: a lil more consideration is needed. that is all.

[Keisuke]

Why don't we have "bidding" on items instead? its a nice way to satisfy ppl who shud have priority over the item and usefull IN raids instead of given to another one who only uses it out of raids or less usefull to them ;
 
i lost the Cromatically Tempered Sword in the last raid, if the loot system didn't change it would of been mine because rogues would of priority over it, this nearly made me leave the guild because i saved most of my dkp just for this sword and of course it was given to a hunter.
 
i cannot say its useless for the hunter but it would of benefited me more then him. I agree on Threbeilith's idea of /w the ML on passing to cetain classes BUT ppl would still WANT the item and be greedy instead of looking at the whole raid, if they really want the item to become 100% complete epiced equiped for there spec they should agree on this bidding rule because they should know it would benefit other classes more.
 
At least then if i lost my CTS to a hunter they would be paying more then the adverage price and also more dkp then i have in total (900) which i cannot afford to lose because i also need other items so i would not really be "angered" resulting anything stupid.
 
This is similar to the loot system atm but at least the ppl in the guild with like 2k+ dkp wouldn't get ALL the items for themselves and not care about the rest of the new members and the whole raids progress (because its more usefull to other players)
 
P.S this would also be a nice way to get rid of ppl haveing LOADS of dkp overflowing

[Dajo]

Well, for MC/BWL I wouldnt mind bidding, but for the other instances god no please, Ive seen the system at work, and I think its awfull, takes alot of time, and ppl get angry at each other for bidding up all the time so the other players looses alot dkp..brrrr I hate bidding

[Padding]

Well, for MC/BWL I wouldnt mind bidding, but for the other instances god no please, Ive seen the system at work, and I think its awfull, takes alot of time, and ppl get angry at each other for bidding up all the time so the other players looses alot dkp..brrrr I hate bidding

I gotta agree totally here

[Bastet]

the current system is not perfect, since it relys on the ppl to know whats good for the raid, and thier class, but a bidding system is awefull, we want a quick raid w/ time to do naxx or other stuff after, not a slow moving auctionhouse.

[ratatosk]

i cannot say its useless for the hunter but it would of benefited me more then him. I agree on Threbeilith's idea of /w the ML on passing to cetain classes BUT ppl would still WANT the item and be greedy instead of looking at the whole raid, if they really want the item to become 100% complete epiced equiped for there spec they should agree on this bidding rule because they should know it would benefit other classes more.

And in the Case on the CTS going To a hunter I must ask what weapons do u have? and what weapons do the hunter have? As far as i know the sword upgraded a LvL 52 Blue axe, and i think its highly unlikely that u have a sword/dagger that are lower!:whistle: Plz see the Benefits for the Raid here....
 
But thats not the real issue i can go on about How Guns/bows goes to Rogues for just a few more Agipoints but thats history now and no Hunter has left the guild for it!!!!
 
I agree on the Auction thingy but its hard to implement i think it will take loads of time to distribute loot! but its a good solution perhaps?!
 
I still think that COMMON SENCE combined with the BOBthingy tell ur story to the ML about Upgrades/Passing thats a good one:clap:
 
Best Regards Rata:flirty:

[Bob]

A bidding system is very :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

Some of the flaws have already been mentioned: takes time, and can lead to extreme high prices on items.
In addition you have the posibility for members co-operating on items, making very low bids on e.g. the class specific sets, to have more DKP to use on items obtainable by everybody.

Our current system is fast to use in raid, easy to manage, and as long as people use their head and common sence and think about the guild and not themselves, it would work out great.

[ratatosk]

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