Tuesday 20 Man Raids

[Menedil]

no problem myanmar

and sinap. dont make me post that video.

[Claw]

http://thottbot.com/?i=51200

thouse dropped,

Shando warlock lvl 60
Bamblewhistle mage lvl 60
Crusader warlock lvl 59

and there ware asked on ts:

"how can u need soemthing when u arent lvl 60?"
and i agree on that question, since there is already a preson who can use it the "priority" should go to that person.

now its not about the loot, its about the behavior, leaving the raid just becuse people dossent get what they want. realise if evryone did that there would not be anny raids ever..

now i have seen thouse drop 1000 times and u know what???
they will drop again. and il bet that u will find something simular or even better, its all about keep on going

like old einstein said (sabinas signeture)

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."

[noevra]

http://thottbot.com/?i=51200
now its not about the loot, its about the behavior

indeed, its not about the loot, its about the behavior, if a ml dosnt raid mutch never seen him in zg and then becomes ml in a run... great for him. but then when he dosnt win loot he say's hey... wait he isnt 60 lets say he can use it so i can loot it. yeah great idee.

next time no officairs are in a zg (i mean the real SoG officairs) im not helping out. besites. i helped i didnt sign up it whas you needed members. and then get ninjaed(no way els to see it in my eyes) im off. no fun for raiding anny more

[Nefertem]

Well Bambewhistle is the alias of Sheperdbook so I am sure he knows his way around in ZG and the ML part.
And if an officer is in a 20man raid he isn't necessarily the ML or RL. It is usually a commander leading the 20man raids, and they are also the ppl arranging the 20man runs. If you got issues or questions about a 20man run the commanders would be the right persons to confront.

[Siffredi]

Noevra - i do not like ur attitude - ML had nothing to say in this decision, this was told to ML by the raidleader which was Gilmarion.
Im guessing you dont see Marshals as real officers then? You would not see us fit to handle a 20 man ZG run??? Well let me tell you this - we run every week with RG2 and you should know this cause ur in that group. You dont think were fair? You dont think we can do a raid? I know we can and do...
 
So you should get ur act together and stop complaining - again you should praise urself lucky to get into raid when not even lvl 60 which is a req. But dont come to RG2/soldier raids if you dont want to its ur own choice, but that behavior is nothing i see fit acting...
 
Not going to comment more on this since it seems like were stuck, so i think all has been said from my point of view...

[Neff]

You know what? I dont llike your attitude either. Sure , loot is loot, its all pixels, its all coding. But when you roll high enough for something that you "need". True, noevra did need, it @lvl 60, and i agree. But gods sake, stop saying it, i think he got it after the 2 pages with it. We all have been mad at something that dropped, and we felt we lost it for reasons that we have no idea about why.

"Oh, the item will drop again" sure it will, but what if he doesnt roll highest? theres always a measure that can fudge it up.  On the other hand, dont curse to guildies. Its just mean, try acting civil. I am by no means slagging you, i know, you may have been in a bad mood, you may have had RL stuff. Or you just were in a mood where you had a short temper, or maybe you naturally have a short temper.

Lets just drop this case. GL on getting it next time.

[opticalrush]

well he won that roll and only menedill was leading the raid :unsure:
so what i dont understand is all these people attacking crusader without any clue what really happend

Crusader was level 59 and rolling for a level 60 [pants] he won the roll as far as i know the ML was not a officer and he could choose what to happen with that item. What ML could have be done is asking crusader how was feeling about it. then someone sad he is lvl59 ML:gratz me then thats abit ... uhm new word loothish as i agree that other alt could use it directly and benefit the raid at that time <_<

Crusader did helped benefit the raid aswell by attend it and putted some RL time in it aswell we dont play wow to have a view at the ZOO we want to upgrade our characters and get better
Where Crusader was hit was that he attended for nothing if he never get some upgrades (all ZG items are lvl60) [ELSE DO NOT ALLOW BELOW 60] or be fair on the rolls

It doesnt matter much but it was a blue item epic is a bit more powerfull and that would go straightly to a level 60

[noevra]

neff sorry about "attacking" guildys that why, dont know why dont have a exuse so only can appoloice for that.

on the onther meather my frustration is out, and you all probely know what i think of the subject, if not then sorry about my bad english.

lets drop it and go on beeing the good guild we are

greetz noevra (aka crusader)

[Menedil]

so youre telling me youd be perfectly happy if it was the other way round, if you were the lvl 60 and some lvl 59 got loot that he couldnt even use, instead of you? i dont think so.

this not gaining anything from the raid is BS. you can get epic loot from as little as one or two runs from making friendly, if you get the quest item drop.

if you were trying to perhaps make us consider that its not fair that lvl 59's get deprioritised for loot, i dont think making personal attacks on raid leaders or master looters - who spend a lot of their time organising these raids for people like you - is going to help your cause at all. its really quite disrespectful.

btw youre still not lvl 60.

[Thierry]

Stop moaning and start owning Menedil I know ya can do it ^^

[Greatdanes]

Yea - great :clap: to Menedil for leading us in the 20s.

[TeaLeaf]

The loot system we used has been developed over some considerable time and has served us very well to date.  The outcome was correct and is not in question.  The system works, keep up the good work Commanders and assistants.

TL.

[Mjolner]

I have a little sumthing i wanna add. ..about loot..

Situation: We kill Hakkar, roll for the heart, I win (only decent roll that evening :happy:), but the heart goes to an alt with greater rep..? I was on my main.

I'm not ****ed, but maybe a little bummed, 'coz I know i don't have that much time to go for 20-man raids as others, and therefore i prob will not see the drop for a long time. And when I do I prob won't win the roll..

What do u say to that?? What are the exact rules?

[Bastet]

The rep requirement is so that alts that play much actualy have a chance of getting the heart of hakker trinkets over some1's main that dont show up alot (due to what ever reason), cause otherwise alts can do 40 odd runs and still lose to mains that are thier on thier first/second run.
Might not be the best for you, but its fair overall reward on attendance so to say :smile:

[Padding]

Yep, as Bastet says, you need to put some effort into the raid, to get something out of the raid, and instead of just rolling for the loot, its prioritised so that the ones that put the most effort into it, gets it first