Last night

[Greatdanes]

I have a few words to say about last night.
 
First of all - :yahoo: congratulations to us all with a tremendous run last night :yahoo:
 
But now some word on the Razorgore fight – why does we wiper so many times before we get him down? I do think it’s more luck then we do it right who gets him down atm.
I think we have to analyse what is going wrong and not keep trying without looking back and find out what went wrong. Last night we did have all the healing in the world we could ask for, so this was not the problem. The trains maybe? Or other people position in relationship to the tanking trains? Maybe all people have to get a recap of the tactics in this fight, where to stand and what the jobs are and ect.
 
At the end, I will like to ones again to apologize to you Siffredi for my behaviour on VT but I do still think it’s necessary to stick to the tactics descript on the forum’s instead of invent new ones.

[TeaLeaf]

In BWL 'focus' is everything.  If anyone person is not doing their job at Razegore then it makes the kill a damn sight harder, if not impossible.  So I would agree, focus on the roles, make sure they all know what to do and then make sure they're doing it.  When the raid knowledge level on this encounter gets high enough then you will suddenly get 'over the hump' and it will become dramatically easier.

As mentioned last night, I'll make myself available this weekend to talk you through the tactics for the fights you will have to deal with on Monday.  You will also need some Flask of Titans from Guildybankee.  If you have a BWL attuned alt then I suggest we meet in the RG1 instance so that we can walk through the rooms to remind yourself of the areas you will be fighting in, the various LOS issues and the distanc eyou have to travel!

TL.

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I was at a friends (JIAN) house last night, so i was peeking over his shoulder at the RG2 raid, and a number of things hit me
 
- Warrior kiting needs work, way to many running around not picked up
 
- Razorgore controller running around in a weird way, which seemed different from time to time. Should be the same way to run every time, with the same places to run out of controller time
 
- Druids/priests dieing first, are they *really* using low rank heals and not drawing aggro?
 
On the positive side i was extremely pleased to see you down Razorgore after 8 tries, thats like *massive* team effort to not give up and keep pressing on, and to down Vaelstraez right after that, is exceptional.
 
Now that RG2 is no longer connected to RG1 in the same ways, i think you should give first kill bonus on all bosses, just to prove that the people that actually *makes* the effort, also gets a bit more than the quitters

[Sazgul]

Issues fixed last night which imo lead to victory:
 
* Mage's killing worked PERFECT. Nothing wrong here.
* Sheeping is also under control, they get pulled out from the cornors and sheeped.
* Sleep, druids also seemed to catch most Dragonkin.
* Controlling. Gallahan and Deadalus worked great together to cover each other. Thus there were one problem explained below.
 
 
* Healing fixed, better focus from pala on tanks, lower ranks from druids (tanks to Vargen), and such.
* Better kiting. Tanks increased their understanding for the kiting routes. We have now frapsed these and will edit them and post them for tanks to watch. We still need to improved this, since there's still some lose mobs - this often happens when 2xdragonkin or 2xlegioneers spawns at the same time in the same cornor.
* The biggest fault as I saw it yesterday - Fireball Volley beeing called wrong.
When the controller called it on TS, he had already pressed the button, and immediatly(sp) after he ran off to next egg. That gives no chance to the "fear people" to actually reach Razor in time, and its very hard to follow him around and do fear - you simply get Cleaved to death instantly.
So on our last try I had instructed the controller (Daed) to, on the 5th egg announce on TS that he was about to do Fireball Volley, and we needed to gather in the middel. Then he did the 5th egg and ran razor to the middel (to us) and did FV. All the fearing people now had the needed time, to time their fears, so that when mobs came, they got feared instantly. And mages could FN away from middel. This is what thurned the tide of the battle imo. I cannot count the times I got cleaved to death yesterday due to this beeing done wrong, and im sorry I saw the problem so late.
 
These 3 things combined did ensure victory. Tho some tanks still need to get their focus a bit up.

[Padding]

Yep, its should never be done before having 5 eggs or less, and yes all should be ready for it since Razorgore is major aggro factor after that
 
Looked fine on the try where you actually got him down

[Sazgul]

Yep, its should never be done before having 5 eggs or less, and yes all should be ready for it since Razorgore is major aggro factor after that
 
Looked fine on the try where you actually got him down

Yup also first there I saw the problem :blush:, actually I didnt do anything else than stay in the middel to observe and correct, during the kill. That gave a good view on things.

[TeaLeaf]

Now that RG2 is no longer connected to RG1 in the same ways, i think you should give first kill bonus on all bosses

That's something the FMs laid down as a rule Padding, so if it changes it needs FM agreement to change and is not something the Marshalls change for themselves.  We should continue this element of the discussion in FM channel.

As for the eggs, you should aim not to need to use it, usually with 5 or less eggs, but we have done it at 9 eggs when the kill was going horribly worng to buy us some time and to save us some tanks for phase 2 - and it worked.  There' no hard and fast rule here, you just get a feeling for what will or will not work for the raid at that point.

TL.

[Padding]

That's something the FMs laid down as a rule Padding, so if it changes it needs FM agreement to change and is not something the Marshalls change for themselves. We should continue this element of the discussion in FM channel.

We can do that, i think its fair for them and now it doesnt affect our DKP standings anymore

[TeaLeaf]

As I said, that's something to take to FM channel rather than you lay out your case here.......

TL.

[Siffredi]

Sazgul kinda said most for me - so no big comments on it - we got alot of things under control - and they will be repeted next Razor kill. Think we have the kiting warriors to do it, and with the ajustments to the orb controller we have a great shot at this everytime. ALl we need is focus and ppl doing thier job, then we will make this a regular kill...
 
@GD - I do follow tactics from the forums allthough i might also ajust them a bit, but in generel they are the same...

[Ubar]

yeah agree with GD
 
i want only say that Deadlus on the MC has done very very good.
 
yeasterday was a patient task ( 12 wipe on raz), and this make the happines for the Vae kill much hight :clap:
 
and now focus on Trash mobs and Broodlord
 
 
PS: TL thx that you explain us tattics this weekend

[Sazgul]

About tacts, I will be online most of the day sunday.
Today we are visiting some friends of ours, who just got a new house, so wanna get me a cold beer there, and help them move a few things. Tomorrow we will be at a wedding.
So when im good 2 go, ill be online sunday.
 
I'll be glad to come to BWL (RG1's empty one) for TL tact meeting.

[DarkAngel]

I may be on avail Sunday so would love to go over Tactics. And guys a very well done. :smile:

[TeaLeaf]

Sunday should be fine with me.  Do you all have a BWL-attuned alt so that we can use RG1's cleared instance?

TL.

[Sazgul]

Im sure my paladin is, but ill check