Molten core "pickup"

[Padding]

To those who said 'but we need rules' I disagree, the rules and limits etc are for the proper full raids

I have to disagree there when the raids will be fully implemented. There is some excellent drops from MC that are unique in the game still, and if you dont make rules about who can get that, you will get angry people.
 
The raid was only full of all these RG1 / RG2 mains because the RG1 raid was cancelled due to lack of players. Most dont need anything from MC, and i seriously doubt that these people will run MC week after week, just to help people. I would like to see that guild spirit, but unfortunately, just not realistic.
 
Also take into consideration that a lot of us played on our main chars last night, and if all people just suddenly logged their ALT, the raid would be a bust. We had a fairly good party, and we would also have downed Ragnaros if we had played a bit better.
 
If the 40 man MC raids are to prosper, you need rules and leadership. We've seen it time after time with the 20 man raids, and thats only half size.
 
As for me as a raid leader, thanks for the vote of confidence, but i simply dont have the time

[noevra]

i think if you make this run a "loot" run it wouldnt be that hard to find folks to join in a mc run. For instance if a boe items drops, and people can roll on it. the motivation is there to come along, so they can make the money.
It my be a bad thing but why not bennifid from the bad and make it a good thing.
 
ofcourse there sould be some rule's because there are indeed some items that are unicum in the game. and indeed folks get angry. but to manny rules will distroy the fun.
 
And on a wensday not rg1 ore rg2 is raiding. and if the raid of rg2 is moved to thusday we have monday 2 to make a mc "pick-up" run.

[Bob]

because no-one expected anything out of it

I was expecting SR leggings :taz:

:narnar:

[Dajo]

I was expecting SR leggings :taz:
 
:narnar:

I kinda hoped for Gorions right binding :ranting2:

[Nefrion]

Well.. Would you like to organize it Padding?? The problem is that people get sick of trying to please everyone. Why not make it a non guild-related run just with guild members? That means with no stuff going to guild banks and so on. I like Noevra's idea about handing out BoE items if no one needs em. That should attract some players.

Yeah some people might get p!ssed off because a soldier gets an item before a guardian just because the soldier rolled highest but as this run is not a raid group related run you will just have to accept this. As RG1+2 is progressing it is getting harder and harder for soldiers to join our raids. With some stuff from MC they could become the new RG members and might even be able to fill in in BWL.

[Padding]

Well.. Would you like to organize it Padding?? The problem is that people get sick of trying to please everyone. Why not make it a non guild-related run just with guild members? That means with no stuff going to guild banks and so on. I like Noevra's idea about handing out BoE items if no one needs em. That should attract some players.

You are missing the point. I never said anything about soldiers not getting loot before guardians. Its a run free-for-all and the loot is rolling for. Especially that fact is extremely important
 
That said, i think its clear that some rules need to be made. Try running a Molten Core run with 40 alts with no FR. It will be a disaster. The success of 40 man runs depends upon having few and simple rules that will ensure that people get what they want from the instance and ALL stand a fair chance, but should also be that f.ex. Gorion has 1 binding of the windseeker, that if the second one drops, he should get it because of set priority. In your rules, all would roll for it. Now where is the fairness in that?
 
And ofcoz should all stuff picked up from Molten Core go to the guild bank. We are using the money to secure RG1 and RG2 progress in BWL and other instances. Without money for pots etc, we wouldnt be where we are today, so thats definately my opinion.
 
Yesterday if Stormrage leggings had dropped, Bob would've rolled for it along with everybody else, and just too bad if he didnt get them. Thats what these runs are about. But Molten Core still is a fairly hard instance, so you dont just skate through it with a bad group. You do need a lot different classes with a lot dps and fire resistance.

[noevra]

there you go. you dont see the point we try to make.
We dont need a ather rg, we dont want set rules, we got already 2 raidgroups that are serrieus, and ofcourse if some one hase 1 set of legendaire item drops he sould get the ather part. but that is more than normal. but to say folks need fr, and need tactics, already before we begane going there.... well sorry, that sounds to me just for a rg3 with soldairs and alts. yust go and see how far you get with the group you got.

i see it happen with all these rules you want to set up, soldairs still cant come along and alt still getting a hard time going in. and besites. the boe items go to guildbank? ofcourse pots and so on cost money, but you cant tell me that with 5 raids in a week you can pay it. You doing it now.... why sould than the "extra" mc run go to guild bank to. Besites if you ganne aply that rule, you indeed wont get mutch rg1 and 2 members to help out.

[Padding]

there you go. you dont see the point we try to make.

Maybe i dont, and thats ok with me. If people find that they will make these runs on their own, i just predict that it will be worse than if we acutally organise it, but you can prove me wrong
 

ofcourse pots and so on cost money, but you cant tell me that with 5 raids in a week you can pay it. You doing it now.... why sould than the "extra" mc run go to guild bank to. Besites if you ganne aply that rule, you indeed wont get mutch rg1 and 2 members to help out.

Sorry to say, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Running the guild costs lots of money and we dont get any particular money from the drops we get in the instances. Thats not a lot compared to the costs of making 5 flasks of titans each week
 

You doing it now.... why sould than the "extra" mc run go to guild bank to. Besites if you ganne aply that rule, you indeed wont get mutch rg1 and 2 members to help out

Because its used for the people in the guilds benefits. Im using a LOT of the money made to create gear for our tanks f.ex. Money gotten into the guild, is spent for the guild, but we need a lot of reserves now that RG2 is a firemaw as well, then they need 5 flasks of titans, and that thing costs money.

[Lucian]

It was great fun - and would have been even better craic if my mic was working properly! Bobbyus thanks you all for his three epic drops last night

[DarkAngel]

Even though i joined late i had fun :smile: . Missing MC and having a Guild Run would be great and i dont mind helping when i can.

[Marduk]

Cannot we just in a raid on common sence ?
like we did last time, Bobbyus did not have Lawbringer pants, Padding did not have lawbringer pants.
they both could have rolled, but padding did not, for the simple fact that bobby would benefit from it more
 
same would go for the bindings i would say gorion has more use for it then a warrior without the other half
 
and if people pass loot for you, you return the favor, for example  alts passing on the Stormrage leggings for Bob

[TeaLeaf]

Cannot we just in a raid on common sence ?

If every thought this way it would make things so very simple.  Unfortunately not everybody does think this way as has been proven time and time again :sad:

TL.

[Nefrion]

Thats what Im trying to say Duk. You just said it clearer. No rules- just use common sense! If you want to be an a$$ and roll on the binding even tho Gorion has the other half its your choice. Just dont expect anyone to pass on loot to you ever again <_<

[TeaLeaf]

No rules- just use common sense!

I think you'll find that you have just stated Rule No. 1

TL.

[Bastet]

Rule one is good, but some rules need to be made, ofc them dont have to be as complicated the raid group rules, but some saveguards that you get a viable raid group would be nice though :smile: