MC Proposal

[TeaLeaf]

Subject to confirmation of the Marshall's decision on moving or not their raid day I would like to propose the following:

• MC runs to be set up and operated by the Guild on either Monday (preferred) or Wednesday (if RG2 do not move its raid day) each week.
• MC run to be open to both mains and alts and to the whole Guild.
• MC run to be operated by Commanders.
• MC raid places booked via the current 20s booking system (we should investigate hosting this in-house to retain control as it is currently hosted externally by Menedil and we have no access to apply changes to the code etc).
• Commanders approve an appropriate class balance and quality of toons to give the raid a reasonable chance of success, as well as rotating those in each class to give them all a chance to attend.  (It might be nice to get a small data point added after each name booked to show how many of the last 5 MC raids they attended for example, which would help Commanders make appropriate choices).
• The run would not be open to RG2 mains in a week in which MC was on the RG2 schedule
• Loot - I thought about this and a rep-based system similar to ZG might work in this type of run. It rewards attendance with a better opportunity to get Epic loot.  The alternative is to allow an AP-based system like AQ20.  Either way, this would not use or earn DKP, thus having zero impact on the current DKP standings.
• Legendary items - these would be prioritised to Officers then RG1 & RG2 mains and would have the attendant DKP cost where a main took the item as in these cases the Guild would be likely to support the cost of materials etc.  Where a legendary item goes to a non-RG1/2 main then there would be no DKP cost and Guild Bank would not subiside the legendary item being crafted.
• All non-epic drops (blues & lower) go to Guild Bank to help cashflow.
• All recipes/patterns are given to a Field Marshall first, then a Marshall, then a Commander as first choice.  Where none are present or none need the recipe it would be an open roll to the mains in run.
• Most controversial of all, I would like to open one or possibly two slots per week for us to allow a paying customer to attend our MC raid in the hope of getting a specific drop.  So for example, we could have a hunter after the leaf and invite him in for Domo.  If the leaf dropped then he would make payment to the Guild and then get the item.  We would have to limit the numbers on this carefully but as part of a package announcement then we could include such a system.  The item required might well also dictate whether or not this is acceptable, for example I doubt we would ever want a Legendary to go outside the Guild, likewise an item needed by many members should not go out of the Guild, but there may be many items no longer wanted (for example pretty much every priest in the Guild no has Benediction).  Any such paying customers would have to be announced in advance to ensure members knew which item was going to be appropriated before they decided to book into the raid.

One of the side effects of this plan is that it also allows RG2 an easy route to drop MC as and when they feel it is the right time to do so as there will still be a weekly MC run.

Clearly there is a bit of work to be done here, such as making sure a Commander can take a raid through MC, but this is just a braod plan.  I think it can be done and I think it would benefit the Guild, but what do others think?

TL.

[Padding]

I know Luthor wanted to help out on these runs running them, and i've suggested him being a commander, but he wasnt necessarily keen on that. I did however tell him that we are working on the same thing and that i didnt think he should make some runs that conflict with official guild runs
 
He should be contacting you TL soonish to discuss it though

[TeaLeaf]

Luna is keen that the people interested contact us themselves and not that we push people to contac tus.  let them choose themselves and then we can pick from those interested.  I have bumped the appropriate post.

TL.

[Tanales]

Im all for this. And ye we will need to have control of the signup system for this, i can set one up tonight if need be.
Would be the latest version of phpRaid.
 
And luthor can get the commander rank, he dont have to run the 20 man runs if he dont want to do that i reckon since there will hopefully be more ppl trying to help out there. And i will prolly come on a few MC runs aswell and ill usually end up as MA so will be supporting whomever is leading if needed.
 
As for the nonguildys joining for a few specific items, i think they should pay an entrance fee and then a certain amount for each item they recive. I think ive read something like this on a high end raidingguilds forums, cant remeber what one atm though.

[Vargen]

All for this as well. I know a lot of ppl still want stuff from MC, and are happy about us implemeting this. My only worry is that there are at this point two legendary items dropping from MC, and I think they should have some rules. The rest really whent well without any rules at all. As long as ppl aren't greedy there is no need for any complicated rules.

[Padding]

I agree, not complicated but should be some basic rules and maybe a signup form?

[Bastet]

Warents TS discussion, but at least for the first times i wouldnt sell spots since theres plenty of alts also needing stuff. Also needs some more attention on the legendary items. I think we should limit them to mains (preferably raiders), and have GB help them like we help the raid groups.

[Padding]

Theres also the question of where lava cores etc go to. Some people feel that they should go to the raiders, and (as i've also wrote in public forums) i feel they should naturally go to the guild bank
 
Until RG2 moves their raid day (or not) we cant proceed the planning

[Tanales]

id say cores go to guildbank, they can request what they need for items as they go along and want to make progress on Ragnaros, we where lacking Fire resist there.

[TeaLeaf]

Blues, Greens to Guild - we can cut them a deal, but they're there for da' epics not the Blues.

Cores etc and DIO to Guild Bank.

Happy not to sell slots early on.

We *must* have some rules, like for legendary items, but by not using DKP it should be fairly straight forward.

Rep system, like ZG means those who have been there and helped out get first call on the item under a roll.  Fair's fair.


TL.

[TeaLeaf]

• MC run to be open to both mains and alts and to the whole Guild.
• MC run to be operated by Commanders.
• MC raid places booked via the current 20s booking system (we should investigate hosting this in-house to retain control as it is currently hosted externally by Menedil and we have no access to apply changes to the code etc).
• Commanders approve an appropriate class balance and quality of toons to give the raid a reasonable chance of success, as well as rotating those in each class to give them all a chance to attend.  (It might be nice to get a small data point added after each name booked to show how many of the last 5 MC raids they attended for example, which would help Commanders make appropriate choices).
• The run would not be open to RG2 mains in a week in which MC was on the RG2 schedule
• Loot - I thought about this and a rep-based system similar to ZG might work in this type of run. It rewards attendance with a better opportunity to get Epic loot.  The alternative is to allow an AP-based system like AQ20.  Either way, this would not use or earn DKP, thus having zero impact on the current DKP standings.
• Legendary items - these would be prioritised to Officers then RG1 & RG2 mains and would have the attendant DKP cost where a main took the item as in these cases the Guild would be likely to support the cost of materials etc.  Where a legendary item goes to a non-RG1/2 main then there would be no DKP cost and Guild Bank would not subiside the legendary item being crafted.
• All non-epic drops (blues & lower) go to Guild Bank to help cashflow.
• All recipes/patterns are given to a Field Marshall first, then a Marshall, then a Commander as first choice.  Where none are present or none need the recipe it would be an open roll to the mains in run.

Well it sounds from the above that the quoted elements here are agreed.  All we need now is a date from RG2 and we can announce something and set up the appropriate Commanders and systems.

TL.

[TeaLeaf]

Right, Marshalls are leaving RG2 on Monday, so this means that if this goes ahead it will have to be on a Wednesday night.

Are we at a stage where we're happy to announce this as above or does anyone have anything to add?  

TL.

[Padding]

On the one side i think we should try to convince the Marshals to move the day since doing it wednesday might get some RG2 to get locked, and that can give all sorts of bad things
 
On the other side, they need to decide for themselves, and maybe we shouldnt interfere
 
Monday is - by far - the best raid day for this, and i feel dissapointed that RG1/RG2 cant reach that conclusion

[TeaLeaf]

Well, Marshalls apparently decided not to move their raid day last night, like you I am also disappointed but we'll work with what we're given.

I'll post this chunk into Marshalls to see if they have any comments.

TL.

[Bastet]

I dont like the rep system for various reasons, but mainly since it allows priorirty on stuff for RG1 members on just about everything, since most of them are exhalted now (and that takes over half a year of raiding MC once a week), Then RG2, Then soldiers that farmed waterlords rep (yes you can farm this outside the instance upto a point).
 
If you want something you can use the AP system for these raids only, then everyone has a shot at the items.
 
And prioritize the legendary's to RG1/2 Mains only, i dont agree w/ officers first, spes there we dont do much for these runs if there lead by commander rank ppl