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[noevra]

I now play my rogue now for almost 2 years(dont know presisly but since the bigging of wow)

But i still dont manages to find a way to make optical (hihi opticalrush hihi) yuse of it. If i am in a raid that is. because pvp i finaly get a hand in how to play that.

If i check the dpsreports in a run like mc ( i know not allowed, but a rogue should check his dps from time to time to see how he is preforming) and i always be on the last rogue posistion. (like the list will be somting like:

1: keltor 1000000000000 - 56%
2: aloha 123124             - 1%
3: nerferton                  - 0,99%
4: jeremy                      - 0.98%
5: some lock                  - 0.97%
6: me (noevra)              - 0.01%
 
i tryed to be a dagger rogue, but than i even do worse damages, so respeced back to fistwapon.
if im fully buffed i have a crit rate of 35.15%
and normal hits are around 400 with crit

i serriusly think im doing somting rong. anny on know what?

[Padding]

I would take a talk with Bastet about it since he's a rogue and have played that class a long time, and you can talk dutch to eachother
 
He should get you on the right track

[Bastet]

Dont count on it, i am also not very high on the meters, if you want some solid pointers id talk to keisuke, he pumps out some incredible dps :smile:

[Nefrion]

Im steadly on 3rd pos on dps in RG2 raids. On Vael i did 800dps (#1).
 
I could post you my spec if you like.
 
I have had Core Hound Tooth in main hand and Heartseeker in offhand. This made me crit for around 1500-1600 with the mob fully sundered (New crit record yesterday with 1660). The thing that really boosts your dps is when you use either aggression or blade flurry.
 
Looking forward to check out my DPS with the Perd blade i got yesterday :yahoo:
 
Its important to look on how your combos are put together. Its not just all about spamming BS or SS. You have to time your energy, combo points vs the mobs health.
Contact me in game Noevra and we can have a discussion on how your current build/playing style can be improved.

[TeaLeaf]

Looking forward to check out my DPS with the Perd blade i got yesterday :yahoo:

That should be a nice upgrade.  Post the results!

TL.

[Adularena]

I`ll help out.
Being a rogue isnt about damage. It is how you use your combo points.
There are different ways a rogue can help out in raids.
 
MC: big Mobs, you can only use your combopoints on damage, be it evicerate or slice and dice.
 
BWL+other instances with more trashmobs:
 
You can deside yourself, DPS, or stuns. I cared avout the damage when first starting to raid, but soon enough I learned that being of help to your group or raid is even better.
 
How to get DPS in raids.
Combat dagger. What to do? Get the spec Bastet is using. This allows you for fast combopoints buildup. But NEVER wait for 5 full combopoints!
Combopoints that you dont have the ti,me to use is a waste.
 
How I would do it: Get in stealth, open with backstab, get 2 or 3 combopoints (2 combopoints when crit with combat dagger build)
Then do Slice and dice. Then meanwhile you do all the backstabs you can.
This means that you constantly have to run around placing yourself behind the mob. It isnt more to it than that. It is all about consentration.
 
The usual raids are often like this : All the rogues are semi afk just wandering about doing some damage when they arent reading their magazine or watching TV, thus the nr. 1 rogue or Warrior goes like "Wooooooh! I am number ONE on DPS metres"
 
When you get into BWL or other instances with lots of trashmobs, then you as a rogue can deside whether to use the combopoints for damage or stunning your enemy. Neither of the desitions is a waste of combopoints.
 
In any way, you are better off with doing lots of WHITE damage with slice and dice with daggers or fast wepons that doing eviserate.
 
If you are a dagger Rogue (which gives the best damage before you get REALLY nice epic swords) ALWAYS have SLICE AND DICE UP! In the meanwhile do BACKSTABS and the occational feint.
 
A fist wepon (in not a powerful one) does in your case 400damage as crit. That isnt good enough, adagger rogue can do 1500 crit damage. That is way more damage per used ENERGY point.
 
I dont wanna sound like a asshole. But if you want some tips from a guildie, ask ADULARENA about stuff. I can match any rogue regardless of their gear.
 
BASTET: your post didnt say anything exept to score up your POST COUNT. But since you are officer ,, I take it you have to give orders, take desitions etc WHILE you are fighting, thus you couldnt get further up on the scale. ( I bet your DPS is good thoug, or atleast damage dealt total divided on the time you actually fight)
 
NEFRION: VAEL is not a good fight to compare DPS.
 
 
One more thing: you have to be ready, once you get the DPS GO! signal, you should have landed a backstab withing 0.2 seconds. YOu got to get the feel for the WoW internal TICK TIMING (every 2 seconds) So you can time your attacks.
 
123: 2/3 combopoints, then Slice and dice, then do backstabs until your slice and dice is about to run out, then repeat. Always be on the move and always be ready when the fight starts.
 
DPS:
1. Warrior
2. Rogue #1 (new in guild)
3. Mage
4. Rogue #2 (AFK)
5. Rogue #3 (AKF)
 
etc- you all get my point

[Nefrion]

Vael is actually a good fight to compare DPS as rogues focus on DPS mainly. I dont like using slice and dice in MC on trash mobs. These mobs go down so fast that SnD is a waste of CP imo. If you use backstab all the time you wont be able to build up 5 CP on a mob before it is down. But you are right Adu, it is mostly about the CP. It is there the difference is. Rule number one: Do not let a mob go down with more than 1 CP. Waste of dmg.

Another thing to pump up your DPS is when youre fighting Firelords. Move in, get up as 3-4 combo points fast and wait for the spawn. When it comes then use your blade flurry along with evis and immediately start BS'ing again. This pumps your DPS up to around 500. If you have the 100% energy regeneration talent as well then you can really put some DPS in it. And in this case dont follow MA :norty:

I believe the thing that really push my DPS up is blade flurry and the right timing on CP's.

[Adularena]

Some live, some die. Vael fight is fast and brutal.
 
you do a BS and die in 0,5 secs your dps might me 3K
 
But I think it is important to play according to your Build.
 
Do as you did in your last post, explain how you use your combopoints, timing, flurry etc that was a nice post I think :yahoo:
 
The way you say you are quick to move in etc, use your time wisely etc, that would most importantly show off in you Total damage done related to your Time in Combat (I think these are the terms). THis shows you if you have a high dps, because you only do chickenfights, or if you are slacking in combat.
 
Also, in MC, are you one of the guys that always attack the Core hounds (the ones that respawn) after they are dead because the attacks always land as a critical? Dps and damage and stuff, it is so fleeting.
 
And you say that MC trashmobs goes down so fast I dont bother doing SLice and Dice. When SoG started MC with Danu, Each Giant or elemental trash mob was a insanely difficult encounter. The mobs did huge damage to us, and they had a shitload of HP. THEN! we really had to maximise our dps.
 
Well, other than that, it helps if you arent a slowpoke IRL too.

[Nefrion]

Just to finish off the Vael subject: If all rogues are up when the fight is over it is comparable. This means that no one died or got burning adrenaline.

About being a slow poke irl as well- you are right. If you tend to turn on the telly and not pay attention you might wanna reroll a hunter and just spamming Aim Shots:lmfao:

As a rogue you move around constantly and if your mob turns and you dont turn as well it will cost you...
- Waste of energy
- Time for max DPS / BS
- Less combo points -> Less eviscerates
- Your life (if its a firepack/core hound or what ever has a breath of some kind.)

When you are fighting Annihilators and mobs a like you dont want to try and BS them down. If you can get one up first its great then use SS and SnD. This mob is randomly targeting people and turning constantly. You would want some nice steady DPS on it with SnD.

[Adularena]

Oh, about Eviserates. Most players tend to think "wow! a 5 point eviserate crit = high damage!" but If I`m not terribly wrong, the eviserate doesnt scale overexponentially (what I mean that the damage base of a 5 point evi isnt more than the damage of a 1 point evi if you take the 5 point damage base and divide it on the number of combopoints). When writing this, I`m not completely sure about it, but it seems to me that a evicerate combopoint is as much worth damage wise regardless of how many points you have when using it. Ofc, using only 1 point eviserates makes you spend the eviserate cost of your energy more.
 
So. Do damage when you can, or as Nefrion wrote, while the mob is alive.
 
Also, for the mobs that run around like crasy, you can either sprint while tring to backstab or switch to a good i handed sword/mace whatever to get in some SInister strike damage as BAckstabs are harder to get in.
 
YAY! I missed some real Rogue talk here on the class forum! :dribble:

[Neff]

You sure know your sh*t AddY! omg:D

[noevra]

thx for the great responce

i probely wont respec to dagger atm though. but the energie ballance is a good hint would love to try it on next raid

[shadowscream]

Another thing to pump up your DPS is when youre fighting Firelords. Move in, get up as 3-4 combo points fast and wait for the spawn. When it comes then use your blade flurry along with evis and immediately start BS'ing again. This pumps your DPS up to around 500. If you have the 100% energy regeneration talent as well then you can really put some DPS in it. And in this case dont follow MA :norty:
 
I believe the thing that really push my DPS up is blade flurry and the right timing on CP's.

With 5 sunder on mobs I get around 1300-1500 BS crit along with Blade flurry you can double this damage if mobs are around - keep it quite though- :norty:

[Adularena]

About the Firelords. You can double your dps, thats sure, but you dont do super dps to the mob you are targeting and the mob your flurry hits. So if the firelord spawn starts to hit you, then you are in trouble and wish you followed the MA.
 
Want to do some super damage, go for Adrenaline rush and blade flurry.
But then again, thats stupid and you should only do that at Onyxia when she is at 97%.

[Nefrion]

I have never died by using this combo with flurry and maybe adrenaline rush.
The firelord spawn doesnt do that great amount of dmg as you mention. And if it did it would need to be tanked.