lack of gear in RG2

[Alaha]

hello there
last night (tuesday 8.november ) we did very well in BWL. We managed to kill 1st boss.
At the second boss we did gave up after some tries.
i saw some members with really poor resistance coming to kill this boss, resistance that not even good for UBRS.
Well guys please in your free time hit some instances with PuG or what ever you can and get some fire rez gear.
your lack of gear meanes you will set more press on raid = you need more healing to keep you up.
Think of it this way: you are 1 person of the 40 man raid when you have the chance to be a part of the 1/40 man then do your best, if you want our RG2 to make progress.

[TeaLeaf]

I wear zero FR gear for the Vaelestraz fight (in fact the only gear I change during the entire instance is my damage cloak for the Onyxia Scale cloak for those shadow flame moments).  Resistance is only important to the main tanks in this fight who will be dealing with Vaelestraz 'up close & personal'.   I use 'fire shield' just before the buff and then rely entirely on the prayer of healing from the in group priest.  Maybe once per month I pop a health pot when the priest has had to emergency heal someone else, but basically for everyone other than the MTs you need your best stats and damage gear possible to beat the S.O.B. within the 3 minutes.  It's a fight that demands high DPS not nerfed DPS and it's still a bit 'luck' based - RG1 wiped on it twice last night before downing him on the third try.

In other news though, it was damn nice to hear that Danu were on Firemaw when we wiped on Vael, but we cleared Nefarian before them - they wiped on him about 3 minutes after we killed him :norty:

My 2 cents.

TL.

[Alaha]

well to be precise:
classes like priests, druids and pallies need more fire rez than 70FR buffed, thats what i mean about ( some ) members
other classes like warlocks, mages and hunter ( dps classes ) need some fire rez but need mostly dps geares since they will be healed and kept alive.

[FatBob]

As a priest i run at about 200+ fire resist on the vael fight and normally this is enuff to keep me up, which in turn keeps my group up and also allows the odd spare moment for healng rogues/warriors/whoever.
 
it may not be strictly needed but it gives me a nice buffer to take a bit of pressure off.
also by easing off the plus healing gear for fire res it cuts my aggro down a bit cos spamming prayer of healing too early on can result in a rapid climb up the aggro ladder which is to be avoided at all costs. :norty:

[StrontiumDog]

Maybe using a cascade healing system would help. What I mean is having 1 (or 2) healers who have high FR (if you have any) looking after the other healers while the others look after the raid. Not being a healer though, I dont know if this happens anyway so if it does just ignore me

[TeaLeaf]

All healers are already fully occupied and priests spam heal prayer of healing on the non-tanking groups Stront.  In any case, priests should not be taking large fire damage - if they do then they are tanking!

Re Jeebus comments, you may be the only priest wearing that level of FR for that fight Jeeb.  I may be totally wrong here, but I believe Luna uses just standard gear here, so you could be severely nerfing your healing with the FR you are wearing.  Your HP should be sufficient to survive some damage and then rely solely on PoH to keep you up as it is spam healed the whole fight.

TL.

[Halakria]

Is there a way to organize a "sure" AQ 20 for RG2? Now i'll explain why... Tuesday and Thursday r ok, but for most of the other days i can't signup 'cos i dunno if i'll be online at least till the day of the raid if not worst. This means that i'll never gain the higher rank of frostbolt, fireball and am, and so these (at least) 50 easy dps will never come.
Atm i'm wearing a 6/8 sorcerer, i got  +270 to frost (250 general) and the only blue item i don't have is thuzadin mantle; there's no way to improve my gear outside a 20/40 men istance.
I've seen that i'm not the only one in this condition, so is it possible to valutate the idea of MC+Ony on Thur and AQ+ZG (or only one, and splitted in 2 groups) on Tue, till we're not at least full epic?
I know it doesn't sounds good, but what can we do in alternative?
Any idea is well accepted
Hal

[Nefrion]

Off topic:
This thread contains some very usefull info for RG2 on Vael. Tactics give you an over all view of the fight but it does not contribute with some of the personal tricks and hints. Would it be possible to make a thread per boss in BWL and then have some RG1 people to post some hints for the fights? Could be something like: "In the Vael fight I do this and this because it helpes me out with this and this". Then another could comment on it and say: "Yeah well if you do this and move over here you can avoid this and that".

[TeaLeaf]

The problem with that is that it nerfs the 20 man raids for the others in the guild who rely on having some of those RG2 or RG1 raiders around to support the 20 man runs.  If they're locked out then there's a problem.

DKP is also an issue.  People start skipping on MC items int he hope of a freebie from AQ20 or ZG.

Progress is forwards to BWL, not backwards to ZG.  Motivation would be a serious problem as ZG is cleared every week by a raid filled basically with alts.  AQ20 is cleared when it has some well specced mains in the group (alright it struggles when fully alt), but people do nto get 'up' for 20 man runs like this.

People will gear up very quickly in Molten Core as a significant part of RG2 already has the bulk of their T1 set, so in general drops will come quickly to those not yet geared up.  Those same drops make ZG/AQ20 drops less attractive.

Re the books - yes these are difficult to get if you cannot make the runs.  But they can be bought from AH, so you have an option to get that extra DPS if you cannot support the Guild AQ20 raids.  

And for those looking for that final bit of DPS/healing etc:  how many of you have got your epic weapon, head piece, shoulders & legs enchanted yet?  In RG1 it is very rare to not see those items fully enchanted and combined they make a lot of difference, so go do them now!

TL.

[Halakria]

Understood all reasons, i'll try to buy it but i've never seen it, only frost ward V is in AH and i already have it.
For the attachment you're completly right, but i'll start to cry using focus on Crimson Felt Hat and +30 dam on Crackling Staff :sad:

[Knabbel]

Off topic:
This thread contains some very usefull info for RG2 on Vael. Tactics give you an over all view of the fight but it does not contribute with some of the personal tricks and hints. Would it be possible to make a thread per boss in BWL and then have some RG1 people to post some hints for the fights? Could be something like: "In the Vael fight I do this and this because it helpes me out with this and this". Then another could comment on it and say: "Yeah well if you do this and move over here you can avoid this and that".

It's there it's called tactics...... only without the RG1 addition. BUT RG1 can add things and that can be better refelected to the person reading it....
 
People shoud not underestimate enchants. BUT choose the item that you enchant wisely.... I enchanted everhting I have. but that is because I will use that gear for a long period. My T2 helm is enchanted and I don't see my Tier 2.5 or even Tier 3 helmet anytime soon
 
The only way to get gear it to put effort into raiding.....the more raids you do the more likely you will get good gear..... And MC will provide us many epic's every week. If we can do a full clearance like last thursday but with less waitiing...we can do Onxyia as well. And is there realy is the need for an extra ZG or AQ run I can discuss this with the commanders....

[TeaLeaf]

For the attachment you're completly right, but i'll start to cry using focus on Crimson Felt Hat and +30 dam on Crackling Staff :sad:

That's a completely fair point and one I appreciate, but when the Guild is clearing MC once per week and Onyxia once or twice per week how long do you think it will be before and T1 or T2 head piece drops for you, or an epic weapon drops for you?  Not long is the answer, so get prepped, be ready to enchant them with as many of the mats as possible.  Like you I would not want to waste all those mats on the items you mentioned, not becaue the difference would not be worth it (because it woudl be worth it) but because they would be about to be replaced.

TL.

[Knabbel]

Halakria,
 
let's get back to your gear within 4 weeks.... I bet you have a lot of epix!!!
 
Make a screeny of your current profile and one for over 4 weeks....
 
:yahoo:

[Halakria]

OKi

[Akall]

Talking about healers: I have about 70 max 80 FR during Vael fight (some from T2 and some from [item]Onyxia Scale Cloak[/item] and [item]Drakefire Amulet[/item] for the rest I'm using the equipe that gives me more +Healing and spam regrowth all around (grps AND tanks).