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[Greatdanes]

I maybe speak the minoritys case in many threads and in that way always looks like a person who is only complaint over every thing.
 
But I think it's important to hear every one on any issues what ever it's probably provocative / unpopular. In many of the cases I share a opinion with some guys but also bring my own if noone does share with me.
But when I bring a opinion up who is supportted by others and still gets the "very personal interest yeah..." thing in my face, I get mad and pi$$ed as I do if I is getting a bollocking as a group for something I don't have done and that's why I comment things like I do.
 
I think a democracy are build on that everyone can be hear without being condescending comment afterwards and I hope this guild is build by democracy and not by dictatorship so all people have they rights to get hear and fairly treat.
 
I think I have treat you ohter Marshals fairly most of the time and stand up for you if any one have complaint over any of you guys but after seen the treatment I have been given lately I think that will change. I think I will confront the Marshals group with ever little complain in the future so all can see what crap I am taking on you behalf and ofc there have been complains over me where you have stand up for me so this will apply to all.
 
PS. I do know I some times have trouble with explain my self in the way it was meant but I hope you get the point in this.

[Siffredi]

I think we Marshals (can only speak for myself ofc) support you GD, and dont go against you on every matter, hovever if you look though ur idea that as a "tribute" to dedicated RG2 players they should be allowed the (as i see it) easy way into farm BWL and endbosses in AQ40. I also want to see the final content however the goal for RG2 within TBC is still to get to Nefarien and if we have time total clear of BWL.
 
It is no secret to us that you want to join RG1 as you stepped down to soldier to hope to join them (you told us marshals on TS that if you would not get a spot in RG1 when there was a spot you would step down as a soldier, as there were no loot/challenges availeble in MC for you as a hunter), and in some way i understand you, but in many other ways i dont. I will try to explain my views on why i dont understand you:
 
I have from day one supported RG2 fully, and have experienced up and downs with RG. You have done the same. However lately we had a real down period where we skipped BWL totally, and this made many thinking this is going nowhere and including me. This was a dark period, however recently we proved the strenth thats is inside RG2 and the will to fight and overcome our problems.
 
Im not trying to throw sh** at ppl, and i have nothing against any of the marshals nor FMs. However i express my opinions, and i am sorry if it offends you but imo some things need to be said and discussed.
 

I need to speak up now!
 
For a start Greadanes dont have any intrest in leaving RG2 for RG1 so get
 
the facts straight before u accuse someone Siffredi.

This was before you joined us as a marshal Wierd so i am sorry to say you dont know this, but he did infact apply for RG1 spot. He applied just before he stepped down.
 

Maybe not removed, but reviewed / looked over and see if it can be change in any way so it can benefit the guild instead of been a burden for peopel that have choose to be in RG2(not saying it is, but it can be).

The only progress you can make as RG2 member is stick to RG2 or stop raiding(become a soldier) or leave the guild. Why not give people more options.

And no TL, this is not a personal thing, only a thought about why as RG2 member you only have the possibility to "go back" or leave the guild if you want more.

Regarding this, well imo you have chosen RG2 and if you want more your options only should lie with RG2. If we open up for "promotions" to RG1 you will see tons of ppl applying for RG1 and when they get decline or worse accepted RG2 either loose focus from that player (some might loose focus as they proberly are not dedicated to a RG they do not wish to be in) or we loose a player to RG1, and this player would have to be an experienced and well geared as that is what RG1 require. Meaning RG2 loose alot of gear and experience. This was in the first place what put the rule up and this rule should stay imo.
 
I would gladly discuss any matters you have with my or my opinions, and again im not trying to slap anyone in the face, simply expressing my views.

[Greatdanes]

It is no secret to us that you want to join RG1 as you stepped down to soldier to hope to join them

I did not stand down to soldier before I apply. My applicantion was turned down before I did step down.
 

I have from day one supported RG2 fully, and have experienced up and downs with RG. You have done the same. However lately we had a real down period where we skipped BWL totally, and this made many thinking this is going nowhere and including me. This was a dark period, however recently we proved the strenth thats is inside RG2 and the will to fight and overcome our problems.

True, but did lose my faith in RG2 at some point but have it back now and will stick about RG2 to the end now. It's that not okay?
 

Originally Posted by Wierd
I need to speak up now!
 
For a start Greadanes dont have any intrest in leaving RG2 for RG1 so get
 
the facts straight before u accuse someone Siffredi.

This was before you joined us as a marshal Wierd so i am sorry to say you dont know this, but he did infact apply for RG1 spot. He applied just before he stepped down.[/FONT]

I think he did mean now.
 
 
About this RG1 <- RG2 rule, it's a great rule so you can keep the people who have join RG2 and put time, efforts and etc. in it, to what RG2 is day and keep a certainly group, so it gear wise can make progress as a raid group and get further on in the instance. But if you take you Marshals glasses off and try to look at it as just a defender, the rule can be the brake that doesn’t let the guy develop if he wants.
When people can see they need to step down or leave the guild to get a chance in RG1, it can have a negative encouragement to do so.
 
I support the rule 100% for been the rule who can keep the raid group going further on but not for what possibility it gives the people. So it’s for that I ask, can we make it so it can benefit the guild, RG2 and the people better then it does today.
If not, okay no problem but try to think it over instead of just saying we need that rule.

[Siffredi]

Well for now i have no thoughts you you wanna join RG1 - as of now i see you fully committet to RG2 -  no doubt about that, but as TL also described but pulled back you had a personal interest in it in the past and might so in the future, and as he also said it might not be the case but would be something obvious to think about.
 
The problem with RG1 vs RG2 is that ppl see RG1 as a promotion - i do not... I see that RG1 has been "alive" longer and have therefore also made further progress, and in time when we lived longer we would prolly be at the same point if not farther, as we got the tactics in place and "just" need the gear and cooperation to work.
However many ppl see RG1 as the "golden" group to wonderland and this is prolly not going to change before TBC where RG1 and 2 is down to basic and can progress at the same lvl if we get out s*** together
 
I think we should keep this rule and see what TBC brings....

[TeaLeaf]

The possibility of RG2 > RG1 is on  the agenda for tomorrow night's meeting already, let's discuss it then.  However I do note that no Marshall has yet posted to say they will be there - if you are not you will not get your chance to speak.  Please post to confirm your attendance at the meeting.

Finally, GD, you noted in your first post "the treatment you have been given".  You haven't been given any, so please don't take offence where none existed.  Continue to speak up, that's your job as an officer, but you also have to listen when others speak evne if it is not what you wanted to hear.  I heard you though, I added your issue to the agenda, let's speak about it then.

TL.

[Greatdanes]

Finally, GD, you noted in your first post "the treatment you have been given". You haven't been given any, so please don't take offence where none existed. Continue to speak up, that's your job as an officer, but you also have to listen when others speak evne if it is not what you wanted to hear. I heard you though, I added your issue to the agenda, let's speak about it then.
 
TL.

Roger - 10-4