Admin Standards on Boomer

Started by Anonymous, June 27, 2007, 07:52:08 PM

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Anonymous

The standard of admining that I have just witnessed on Boomer was appalling.

People are being slayed left right and centre and they do not understand why! Here is just one extract as an example. KKND was not sole culprit but it shows the way the "junior" admins are using their powers. I'm starting to feel that we have too many with admin powers that don't know how to use it properly.

QuoteL 06/27/2007 - 19:25:03: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739><>" connected, address "86.139.133.59:51742"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:04: "-=[dMw]=-ÉtérnalÚk<2715>" killed "Agent47./Pepsi Marines<2720>" with "ak47"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:04: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739><>" STEAM USERID validated
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:16: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739><>" entered the game
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:17: "-=[dMw]=-Acid_Skass<2734>" killed "tk<2698>" with "ak47"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:20: "Ben ,, NL!<2736>" killed "-=[dMw]=-Acid_Skass<2734>" with "m4a1"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:24: "Agent47./Pepsi Marines<2720>" say "who has the kool bleach spary"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:26: "Spag<2738><>" disconnected (reason "No Steam logon
")
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:35: "-=[dMw]=-ÉtérnalÚk<2715>" killed "3l1te_4tz3<2730>" with "ak47"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:42: "tk<2698>" say "where"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:45: "-=[dMw]=-KKND<2735>" say_team "what spray?"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:46: "sarge<2737><>" disconnected (reason "No Steam logon
")
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:48: "Agent47./Pepsi Marines<2720>" say "on the t spawn"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:53: "-=[dMw]=-Sithvid<2740><>" connected, address "80.47.104.37:27005"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:54: "-=[dMw]=-KKND<2735>" say_team "dunno"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:54: "-=[dMw]=-Sithvid<2740><>" STEAM USERID validated
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:58: "|BHB| @bot<2741><>" connected, address "87.187.111.158:27005"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:59: "Agent47./Pepsi Marines<2720>" say "i know now"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:25:59: "|BHB| @bot<2741><>" STEAM USERID validated
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:07: "-=[dMw]=-delanvital<2718>" killed "Ben ,, NL!<2736>" with "ak47"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:07: Team "TERRORIST" triggered "Terrorists_Win" (CT "0") (T "3")
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:07: Team "CT" scored "0" with "5" players
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:07: Team "TERRORIST" scored "3" with "4" players
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:07: World triggered "Round_End"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:11: "GanjaMaN<2742><>" connected, address "88.105.102.194:27005"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:12: "GanjaMaN<2742><>" STEAM USERID validated
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:13: "Ben ,, NL!<2736>" say ":( ****"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:18: "skill is all<2743><>" connected, address "87.171.64.18:62429"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:18: World triggered "Round_Start"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:19: "skill is all<2743><>" STEAM USERID validated
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:26: "-=[dMw]=-ÉtérnalÚk<2715>" say "langauge please"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:31: "-=[dMw]=-Sithvid<2740><>" entered the game
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:32: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739>" joined team "TERRORIST"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:36: "|BHB| @bot<2741><>" entered the game
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:39: "Ben ,, NL!<2736>" say "is **** not allowed?"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:41: "-=[dMw]=-Sithvid<2740>" joined team "CT"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:42: "-=[dMw]=-KKND<2735>" say_team "nope"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:45: "-=[dMw]=-Marduk<2719>" say "I"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:45: "Ben ,, NL!<2736>" say "im sory"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:48: "-=[dMw]=-Sithvid<2740>" say "hi"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:49: "-=[dMw]=-Marduk<2719>" killed "3l1te_4tz3<2730>" with "scout"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:52: "|BHB| @bot<2741>" joined team "TERRORIST"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:54: "-=[dMw]=-Lee<2744><>" connected, address "86.20.112.129:43620"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:55: "-=[dMw]=-Lee<2744><>" STEAM USERID validated
L 06/27/2007 - 19:26:56: "GanjaMaN<2742><>" entered the game
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:02: "-=[dMw]=-ÉtérnalÚk<2715>" say "OK :)"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:02: "-=[dMw]=-Acid_Skass<2734>" killed "Agent47./Pepsi Marines<2720>" with "ak47"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:03: [MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-Sithvid] [STEAM_0:0:8779229] Executed :  (ALL) hello  hello
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:04: "-=[dMw]=-delanvital<2718>" killed "Ben ,, NL!<2736>" with "ak47"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:05: "-=[dMw]=-Acid_Skass<2734>" killed "tk<2698>" with "ak47" (headshot)
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:05: "skill is all<2743><>" entered the game
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:06: "-=[dMw]=-ÉtérnalÚk<2715>" say "hey"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:08: "-=[dMw]=-Lee<2744><>" entered the game
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:12: "skill is all<2743>" joined team "CT"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:24: "Ben ,, NL!<2736>" say "nubcake"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:27: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739>" killed "-=[dMw]=-KKND<2735>" with "scout" (headshot)
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:27: Team "TERRORIST" triggered "Terrorists_Win" (CT "0") (T "4")
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:27: Team "CT" scored "0" with "7" players
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:27: Team "TERRORIST" scored "4" with "6" players
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:27: World triggered "Round_End"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:34: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739>" committed suicide with "world"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:34: [MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-KKND] [STEAM_0:0:1932815] Executed :  slayed user [Chos3n' [uK].] [STEAM_0:0:5784867]
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:35: "Ben ,, NL!<2736>" changed name to "Ben ,, NL! clansearch"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:37: "tk<2698>" say_team "all get scout"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:37: [MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-KKND] [STEAM_0:0:1932815] Executed :  (ALL) T's don't rush!!! you should be guarding the hostages!  T's don't rush!!! you should be guarding the hostages!
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:38: "Agent47./Pepsi Marines<2720>" disconnected (reason "Disconnect by user.")
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:38: World triggered "Round_Start"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:39: "-=[dMw]=-Lee<2744>" joined team "CT"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:44: "sarge<2745><>" connected, address "87.194.73.3:61625"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:45: "sarge<2745><>" STEAM USERID validated
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:49: "-=[dMw]=-Lee<2744>" say "hi guys"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:52: "-=[dMw]=-ÉtérnalÚk<2715>" say "lo"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:52: "-=[dMw]=-delanvital<2718>" say "lo"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:53: "|BHB| @bot<2741>" killed "-=[dMw]=-Sithvid<2740>" with "ak47"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:55: "-=[dMw]=-KKND<2735>" say_team "lo m8"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:55: "Harv?<2712>" joined team "TERRORIST"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:27:59: "-=[dMw]=-Acid_Skass<2734>" say "BHB too far"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:03: "-=[dMw]=-ÉtérnalÚk<2715>" killed "Ben ,, NL! clansearch<2736>" with "scout"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:04: "|BHB| @bot<2741>" say "okay"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:06: "sarge<2745><>" entered the game
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:07: "Ben ,, NL! clansearch<2736>" say "yo lee"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:09: [MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-KKND] [STEAM_0:0:1932815] Executed :  (ALL) Type motd to read the server rules  Type motd to read the server rules
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:09: "|BHB| @bot<2741>" committed suicide with "world"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:09: [MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-Sithvid] [STEAM_0:0:8779229] Executed :  slayed user [|BHB| @bot] [STEAM_0:0:7422236]
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:13: "sarge<2745>" joined team "CT"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:13: "-=[dMw]=-ÉtérnalÚk<2715>" killed "3l1te_4tz3<2730>" with "scout" (headshot)
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:14: "Ben ,, NL! clansearch<2736>" say "motd"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:16: "-=[dMw]=-Acid_Skass<2734>" killed "-=[dMw]=-KKND<2735>" with "ak47" (headshot)
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:26: "GanjaMaN<2742>" joined team "TERRORIST"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:32: "-=[dMw]=-Marduk<2719>" killed "skill is all<2743>" with "scout"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:39: "-=[dMw]=-Acid_Skass<2734>" killed "tk<2698>" with "ak47" (headshot)
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:41: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739>" say "y did u slay me ? Rofl. I used to play with DMW as a CZ clan. They used to be respected."
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:47: "-=[dMw]=-Lee<2744>" killed "-=[dMw]=-Acid_Skass<2734>" with "hegrenade"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:48: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739>" say "With players like Doris, Hippy etc"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:55: "-=[dMw]=-KKND<2735>" say "i dont care"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:00: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739>" say "u no em ?"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:03: "-=[dMw]=-KKND<2735>" say "just dont rush"

L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:06: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739>" say "why slay me?"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:06: "Ben ,, NL! clansearch<2736>" say "motd"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:07: [MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-KKND] [STEAM_0:0:1932815] Executed :  (ALL) Type motd to read the server rules  Type motd to read the server rules
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:13: [MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-KKND] [STEAM_0:0:1932815] Executed :  (ALL) T's don't rush!!! you should be guarding the hostages!  T's don't rush!!! you should be guarding the hostages!
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:15: "-=[dMw]=-Lee<2744>" killed "-=[dMw]=-ÉtérnalÚk<2715>" with "m4a1"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:16: "GanjaMaN<2742>" say "elo lads"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:21: "Chos3n' [uK].<2739>" say "it doesnt matter rofl"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:21: "-=[dMw]=-Lee<2744>" killed "-=[dMw]=-Marduk<2719>" with "m4a1"
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:22: "-=[dMw]=-delanvital<2718>" killed "-=[dMw]=-Lee<2744>" with "ak47" (headshot)
L 06/27/2007 - 19:29:2
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Anonymous

heres how it should be done:

"[TBC]?JK??!?K<2753>" committed suicide with "world"
[MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-Lee] [STEAM_0:0:6609492] Executed :  slayed user [[TBC]?JK??!?K] [STEAM_0:1:14128172]
"-=[dMw]=-Acid_Skass<2734>" say_team "hey Jewelz"
[MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-Lee] [STEAM_0:0:6609492] Executed :  (ALL) jkc dont go out of bounds please jkc dont go out of bounds please
"-+WwW+- Jewelz^<2767>" say "lo"
[MANI_ADMIN_PLUGIN] Admin [-=[dMw]=-Lee] [STEAM_0:0:6609492] Executed :  (ALL) type motd for the server rules type motd for the server rules

Penfold

Quote from: BlueBall;195555 L 06/27/2007 - 19:28:55: "-=[dMw]=-KKND<2735>" say "i dont care"


imho there's no excuse for that retort..... and doubly so from a 'senior' admin.
 
Unfortunately I agree with you Mike. I think we probably do have too many admins and I think that some of them are slightly megalomaniacal.
 
I don't think KKND is a worst culprit by any means..... for me the person I find the most draconian by far is Kreg.... I've pulled him up on it (politely) before.
 
FWIW, if I kick/slay/ban someone I ALWAYS do a public message following to explain the reason why. I think that should be done as a matter of course and not only does it justify the action but also serves as a heads-up to other pubbies on the server where that person broke the rules.
 
 Now this is more Whitey's domain, but I would suggest we embargo any more promotions to admin status unless we're sure that said person is mature and sensible enough to handle it. Some people are great at it... some are not.
 
I don't know how one resolves the current situation. Perhaps it needs to be laid out exactly in black and white what the admins are expected to do and how they're expected to behave. Maybe a group pm or something.
 
I think that rules Should be laid down. Recent issues such as over use of the admin_chat button (as someone pointed out recently), to things such as a public message has to be made on the server following an infraction/punishment to explain. I also think it needs to be reiterated about leaving adminning to the seniors if there's one present.
 
I'm not sure if it's particularly easy to start revoking admin rights without causing some fairly big waves and upsetting people..... unless something has seriously gone wrong in which case there's no choice... That said, it would be the quickest way to get people in line :eyebrow:
 
The last thing we want is for people to avoid the server because of the adminning. That goes against absolutely everything we stand for and would send several years of hard work up the swannie in a matter of weeks.
 
  Be interested in hearing what the rest of you say....
             
PEN

Edit.... I've been reading this ... http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8954 How many admins have you seen actually follow these guidelines? :sad:

Especially
Quote4. A formal warning must be the considered judgement before kick or ban.

QuoteYou cannot 'play' at being an admin. dMw will be judged by others on your application of your powers. Remember this at all times.


This is so, so, so true.




Whitey

There is a great motd screen displayed before you join the server showing exactly what we expect from people joining our server. We also have informational message shown automatically in the admin area telling people not to go past the signs etc.  When the guy was slayed, KKND put up the message "T's don't rush!!! you should be guarding the hostages!". To then get the reply "y did u slay me ? Rofl. I used to play with DMW as a CZ clan. They used to be respected." was uncalled for.  The guy had plenty of warning if he had taken the time to read some of the messages/motd.

Saying all that, the next reply by KK could have been a lot better and I have already had a chat with him about it.

It's a hard and sometimes stressful job being an admin on Boomer but without all the admins, it would be a far worse place to play.

Penfold

Quote from: Whitey;195587[/SIZE][/FONT] To then get the reply "y did u slay me ? Rofl. I used to play with DMW as a CZ clan. They used to be respected." was uncalled for.  The guy had plenty of warning if he had taken the time to read some of the messages/motd.

To be fair - I would kick or ban him for saying that.

Also, to be fair to KKND, this thread is NOT directed at him. I think BB was more using it to illustrate a point about adminning in general and not KK in particular. That's the only time I've heard of him doing something wrong..... which we all have done.

PEN
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Anonymous

Quote from: Penfold;195590Also, to be fair to KKND, this thread is NOT directed at him. I think BB was more using it to illustrate a point about adminning in general and not KK in particular. That's the only time I've heard of him doing something wrong..... which we all have done.

PEN

Correct. I can get the rest of the logs if you want but they are just littered with various admins slaying people without giving direct reasons and just continually spamming the screen with "motd" and "dont rush" messages. This does NOT sort the problem it just gets people to switch off from the messages because there are so many they start ignoring them. The way Lee handled it was correct, he slayed the guy and then sent a message DIRECTLY at that person to explain what they did wrong. Spamming "do not rush messages" means nothing to most people as they are usually not aware that they are causing anyone a problem.

The dMw way has always been to educate before punishing. The current group of admins are having trouble doing that and are spraying admin says around and hoping it will work. When I took the time to explain to Chos3n through HLSW what we wanted then he was fine about it.

In short, too many admins are not following the published admin procedures. if we continue in this vein we are going to get a reputation that will be hard to lose.

Whitey

I'm open to suggestions and happy to remove the admin access from people who regularly fail to meet our admin standards.  

I find it hard to believe things would be worse (than before we had the change so that all Charlies had Mani) by removing Mani admin access from the dMw regulars.  We'd end up with people not wanting to play on our servers because they are not administered during long periods of the day.
It's very difficult with a number of new players on the server to talk to them directly in chat, fine if it's just one or two, so you do end up sending messages that you have binds for, rather than direct messages to the players.
You can't always please everyone on the server and I'd rather lose someone who can't be arsed reading the messages than one of our regulars.  

The logs only show half the story, it's only when your in the game spectating you can see what's really going on and how hard it is for the admins during periods where there are a lot of "non-regulars" on.  In an ideal world with only a couple of new people, I agree with you completely but there are times that there isn't the time to talk to the individuals and actually play the game yourself.  In these situations telling them to read the rules should be enough :doh:

If you don't know/find people abusing their Mani admin status or who need some "coaching" let me know.

Anonymous

I suppose it would help if the Admin Standards page hadnt disappeared:

http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3689

Can someone find an old copy or do we have to start from scratch?

Whitey


Anonymous

Thats the baby, looks like a broken link somewhere


Anonymous

I've edited the link on that page to point to the admin standards page on the website (as found by Whitey)
Quote from: Penfold;195620http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8954

Is also useful

PEN

Penfold

Then, there's also this thread:

http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3496

which covers admin standards - although is this more forum admin standards rather than gaming admin standard - however it's placed in the TCS intro :g:


lol

PEN


edit: ignore that - it's the forums version of the home page standards..... confused you will be - lol!

Bastet

Tbh, i think we should take a look at ourselfs too, we seam to be getting eazyer at giving very long bans (heck there is over 170 perm bans on boom right now) Maybe we should create a new set of rules for admining, maybe with some examples so that ppl know what is expected of them. A lot of the current Jr (amd maybe some Sr too) appear to be missinformed rather then having a bad intent.
 
I can also understand that when there are 6-8-10 odd new players playing like thier on any old server that you have to be draconic. Its very hard to keep up otherwise, and normaly one of the admins ends up spectating and doing nothing but admining.
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Quote from: Bastet;195807Tbh, i think we should take a look at ourselfs too, we seam to be getting eazyer at giving very long bans (heck there is over 170 perm bans on boom right now) Maybe we should create a new set of rules for admining, maybe with some examples so that ppl know what is expected of them. A lot of the current Jr (amd maybe some Sr too) appear to be missinformed rather then having a bad intent.

What I think it all boils down to is experience. Being an admin is never an easy job. However, when players on the server do not follow the rules, follow the admin messages and are disrespectful I see no reason to give them a 24 hour ban instead of a permanent ban. There are lots of stupid people online and I think we need to protect those on the server that actually DO play by the rules. 170 isn't that much considering how many have passed through boomer.
I am probably accountable for many of the perm bans on boomer. The reason is that I don't accept
 
-continous and complete disregard of rules
-intentional TK and TW in spawn
-disrespect towards fellow players and admins
-racist remarks
-sexist remarks
-abusive language over VC and chat
 
 
What I do think we could improve is how we introduce new players to TCS. I have been thinking about this a bit and this is what I have come up with so far:
 
  • When a new player joins make sure we welcome them. For example have a bind that say "Welcome! Type MOTD for server rules and enjoy your stay.". This way I think we set a friendlier tone.
  • Next step would be that if there are mani admins (or full admins) on the new player team they should act as coach for the first few rounds. Just saying "hey if you have some questions on the rules just ask mate" will help I think. This will also pinpoint possible "trouble makers" at an early stage, hopefully resulting in less disruption of the game. This will also give mani admins more to do leaving regular admining to the full admins, which is good when we have plenty of admins on. I think that this will increase the worth of mani admining as well.
  • We need to explain WHY we play the way we do. Sure the rules gives you the outline of it but emphasis on teamplay and tactics need to be conveyed and explained.
  • Also we need to make sure that those players that return register on the forum and becomes integrated in the community. This could also be handled by the mani admins.
I tried the three first point last night on Boomer and it seemed to work on some of the newcomers. What do you think?
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