Youth Today

[Sithvid]

Boring people get bored,, libraries parks stars architecture tv are all free ........an eye for eye I say.

[T-Bag]

Smilo I agree that parents are obviously the most to blame for youth being out of control, but if there were enough people doing the right thing in society they wouldn't enjoy breaking the rules so much. I agree bad parents raise bad kids (thats just a fact), But as a society you've got to ask, why are we suddenly making bad parents now? and is there something we can do to help.
Near my house there was a fight going on about 6 months ago, which my friends and I broke up, but alot of people just walked by doing nothing which only makes things worse.
(admittedly things didn't go smoothly afterwards, he proceeded to smash a window in with his fist, break a guys nose (completely innocent person walking past didn't break the fight up etc) and the police had to be called, but not doing anything would have undoubtedly been worse given the beating he gave the first guy.)
People have to do the right thing when faced with a situation, or else they loose the right to complain when things keep going wrong.

[smilodon]

I don't really know why the world is the way it is...who does? Maybe something happened in the 1980's when people all began to aspire to earn more money and live better lifestyles. We live in a materialistic world now, where we seem to judge people by what they own rather than by who they are.  Go to a book shop and the 'self help' section is huge. But ask where the 'help others' section is and you'll just get an odd look. A legacy of the 'get rich quick society'?

I agree it still takes a choice to throw a punch or pull a trigger. Teenagers like everyone else have to accept there are consequences to their actions. Plenty of kids live less than ideal childhoods and still turn out fine. And I suppose that's my point. A very small minority commit the majority of crime. The media grab onto these atrocious events and milk them for all they are worth. We end  up  believing we live in a world that's falling apart, where every other child is a feral beast ready to knife us for our mobile phone. That's just not reality. Most people, kids included, are basically decent. Treat them with respect, value their opinions, hopes and beliefs even though they may not be your own, and you'll get treated the same in return.

[target]

Another would be to take the bloody gloves off parents/teachers and allow some discipline to be reinstilled. I'm not saying thumping kids about should be allowed, far from it. However, parents shouldn't have to fear being labelled a child abuser for giving a little smack when the little tykes are really playing up.
 
Growing up in the 70's I remember that any adult was allowed to discipline any child. You didn't answer back to anyone, because it'd always find its way back to your folks and you'd be in for a rollicking. You'd never dream of backchatting the rozzers. Not only would you get it in the neck from them, but woe betide you when you got home.
 
Do I ever recall being abused? No. Do I have lasting mental scars, or anguish? No. As a child you push the boundaries as far as behaviour is concerned, and you need to know where you have to stop.
 
I think that's where our country has gone wrong. We've had too many PC, softy liberal shites running the show for too long, and look at the legacy they've created... :sad:
 
Sadly, we've had at least two generations where this has got out of hand (and I truly believe that the generation gap is starting to get smaller). Anything that gets effected now, is going to take a fair while to put things right.

I agree totally, fortunately for my kids I'm teaching them my value system which includes not tolerating any of the kind of bollox and disrespect that appears so totally prevalent nowadays - turning into a real grumpy old git....

[Eternaluk]

I agree it still takes a choice to throw a punch or pull a trigger. Teenagers like everyone else have to accept there are consequences to their actions. Plenty of kids live less than ideal childhoods and still turn out fine. And I suppose that's my point. A very small minority commit the majority of crime. The media grab onto these atrocious events and milk them for all they are worth. We end  up  believing we live in a world that's falling apart, where every other child is a feral beast ready to knife us for our mobile phone. That's just not reality. Most people, kids included, are basically decent. Treat them with respect, value their opinions, hopes and beliefs even though they may not be your own, and you'll get treated the same in return.

Well, i'm not too sure what it's like where you are, but around here, it's not too nice.

quite a lot of violence, gangs of chavs everywhere, waiting at any opportunity to beat the living day-lights out of you, and you only avoid abuse if you wear the same clothes as them, it can be pretty horrible.
Just a few days ago, me, Tech, and his friend, were walking through Oswestry,(local town,)and we started to get followed by 6 ten-twelve  yearolds, they were all wearing trackies, and nike / adidas tops trousers,(Typical clothes nowadays..) and probably would have kept following us, if I hadn't glared at them, and who knows what would have happened.
Just don't let them intimidate you.

I agree totally, fortunately for my kids I'm teaching them my value system which includes not tolerating any of the kind of bollox and disrespect that appears so totally prevalent nowadays

Sounds a lot like my dad. Ment in a good way of course.

[d.a.n]

Well, i'm not too sure what it's like where you are, but around here, it's not too nice.

quite a lot of violence, gangs of chavs everywhere, waiting at any opportunity to beat the living day-lights out of you, and you only avoid abuse if you wear the same clothes as them, it can be pretty horrible.
Just a few days ago, me, Tech, and his friend, were walking through Oswestry,(local town,)and we started to get followed by 6 ten-twelve  yearolds, they were all wearing trackies, and nike / adidas tops trousers,(Typical clothes nowadays..) and probably would have kept following us, if I hadn't glared at them, and who knows what would have happened.
Just don't let them intimidate you.



Sounds a lot like my dad. Ment in a good way of course.

IT is not that bad  in oswestry and if they start kick the **** out of them :angry::angry::angry::angry:

[Eternaluk]

IT is not that bad  in oswestry and if they start kick the **** out of them :angry::angry::angry::angry:

*Clears throat* Your telling me, it's not that bad? :lmfao:Anyway, I was just trying to give the place some character, as not much happens around here.

Yeah, i'm not scared of the people around here, but.. Oh nevermind.. I'll just say, remember a certain "Ice cream" incident? (If you must reply, reply in a PM as to not swamp this thread :norty:.)

Anyway, i'm sure a few of you have heard about the new "Rules" that Gordon Brown is/has brought into place. If kids are found mucking around, from or to school they can get disciplined by the teachers.

Also, kids that get excluded, have to stay off the streets for the first five days of their exclusion, and if they are found on the streets, their parents have to pay a  Â£50 fine.

[delanvital]

Anyway, i'm sure a few of you have heard about the new "Rules" that Gordon Brown is/has brought into place. If kids are found mucking around, from or to school they can get disciplined by the teachers.

Also, kids that get excluded, have to stay off the streets for the first five days of their exclusion, and if they are found on the streets, their parents have to pay a  Â£50 fine.

This has got to be a joke. This might clear out the symptoms, but won't remove the problem...

[smilodon]

Oswestry

Where Shropshire meets Wales
Where the lively market town of Oswestry awaits
 Where border history unfolds with tales of myth and legend
Where magical castles fascinate and idyllic valleys entice
 Where the welcome is sincere and the hospitality legendary
Where the real world recedes and the relaxed you emerges

Sounds very nice :wink:

[T-Bag]

Oswestry



Sounds very nice :wink:

Sounds lush, I might more my pimping business there. My "Hoes" have always complained about the lack of idyllic valleys.

[Thulsa Doom]

My "Hoes" have always complained about the lack of idyllic valleys.

Are you using Circle, Hula or regular?

[Anonymous]

Had to laugh at a post on the BBC website where they are allowing people to give their opinions on whether scientists should be allowed to use mixed embryos (human/animal) for research into diseases. Here is the quote:

They have been carrying out these experiments for many years now in Britain. The subjects can be recognised by their genetically programmed predisposition towards baseball caps worn backwards and hooded tops.

Bill Walker, Portsmouth

[delanvital]

Had to laugh at a post on the BBC website where they are allowing people to give their opinions on whether scientists should be allowed to use mixed embryos (human/animal) for research into diseases. Here is the quote:

:roflmao:

On another note - is Cameron's attempted fight-back a good idea?

Extract from a more general article on his fight-back:

Title: A flawed fight-back
Economist, 00130613, 8/25/2007,  Vol. 384,  Issue 8543
"The Tory leader tries to regain momentum but stumbles
On August 22nd David Cameron, the Conservative Party leader, made a speech calling for a "three-dimensional" fight against youth crime, a hot topic in British politics. Efforts should be divided, he argued, between policing, the judicial system and the social causes of law-breaking. It was the most considered of his attempts to improve the Tories' standing in the polls since his return from holiday."

[sheepy]

as u know im part of the younger contingent of ppl around here (22)

there is one word that sums it all up

RESPECT

IMO is that simple, so many people have lost respect for each other, if some of the fundamentals in life were instilled properly then we wouldnt even b having this discussion. Even if i take a leaf from some of the major religions, KARMA. most major religions teach this in one way or another, now im not religious myself but i realise the importance in treating others how you expect to be treated.

to be honest i would be very much in favour of some form of national service, but this has to be inforced with major training and making people have skills. there is no real answer to any of the problems without a total change. (EDIT - this is where i started to go off on a tanget in this post)this would be very simple, get rid of most of the government, and puit me incharge, i would soon sort stuff out, if people refuse to comply then fear works well to. 3 strikes then your out, literaly, bang headshot.

[Lee]

Had to laugh at a post on the BBC website where they are allowing people to give their opinions on whether scientists should be allowed to use mixed embryos (human/animal) for research into diseases. Here is the quote:

:lmfao: Some good points here. Respect is definitely the main factor, but i believe a "copy what my friend is doing" attitude is also a factor. The government has gone into a bit of a nanny state though, too much human rights malarkey. If they need a slap, you shouldn't need to be thinking whether you'll be jailed for something which may at worst give the skin a red tint.