Bastion of Twilight: Cho'gall - Defeated March 31st 2011

[Sithvid]

Looked at the logs my DPS needs a boost so i will be buying gear over weekend...(any nice helms or shoulders about let me know)
I think with my limited knowledge that the first 2 or 3 spawns of small adds seem to be managed quickly and there could be a capacity to leave 1 dps on the boss/big add as suggested by Lego.
I found myself pullin aggro on the 4th spawn of small adds and had to kite and kill em away from raid. Forgive my sithyness but could we drop the first adds closer and the later adds behind to give more time ?
Glad I have found a use for solar beam finally

[Legolei]

I found myself pullin aggro on the 4th spawn of small adds and had to kite and kill em away from raid. Forgive my sithyness but could we drop the first adds closer and the later adds behind to give more time ?)

The small adds spawn from all patches. And it makes the kiting of the big add by the tank harder.

Run some ZA/Zg in a guild group over the weekend, and you should get extra gear a bit cheaper

[TeaLeaf]

I also think that we should get Hermioneg back in Arcane spec or Fire spec so she can do way more damage on Cho'gall and the big add. If you look at frost damage compared to the other specs for 10 man normal raiding, it's just horrible. But only if we have another ranged to slow/push back the adds like a boomkin.
That Hermioneg will do less damage to the small adds, I'm very willing to risk. At least, for a dozen tries or so.

It will certainly improve Chog damage, but it will challenge you more on little adds with fewer slows.   That's the challenge I guess and where you need to find your own balance as a raid group.  For RGT's part when we first got the kill we found that a hunter & frost mage gave us the control we needed, the dps was not an issue.  A good frost mage is not that far off non-frost spec dps levels according to Sheepy.

[Arcticfire]

Alot of progress has been made yesterday:
 
-Big adds went down faster(I think we can still win some time here).
-Small adds went down fast and were handled great, thx Sheepy for sharing your frostmage tactic with Hermi. I think that helped alot!
-Corrupted blood, we did way better then before on this, still progress to be made. The biggest issue is the crashes. Further in the fight they will also be in the raidgroup itself, stay on your toes. You guys know who I am talking about .
 
-Cho'gall, way more DPS on this guy, were getting to the point that the 5th add wont spawn.
-Tentacles, first time we saw them yesterday, I think we noticed we need to keep alot of focus on these. I think a macro or just "tab"ing would be usefull to check if they are dead.

[hubbah]

I thought id check some logs and stuff but arent the try's on Cho'gall on there?

Anyway i been lissening abit to the raid you guys had yesterday and i there is not mutch to add then what sheep already said ADDS ADDS ADDS ADDS!

Anyway.. Goodluck on wednesday! hope youll get it down!

[Arcticfire]

Ye thats my fault, I forget to load the log program -.-

[TeaLeaf]

-Tentacles, first time we saw them yesterday, I think we noticed we need to keep alot of focus on these. I think a macro or just "tab"ing would be usefull to check if they are dead.

Great to hear that good progress is being made.  

I wanted to underline what Arctic said about tentacles.  It cannot be stressed enough, these are an absolute priority at ALL times, I think the worst case example RGT had was a try where a non-Raid Leader at 500k HP left made the call on TS to "ignore the adds, just dps the boss" and we ended up wiping!

The other thing to highlight, is that the tentacle prio is not just for dps - anyone with an interrupt HAS to use it on a tentacle in P2 at every CD.

Looking forward to seeing an RGW Chog kill real soon! :thumbsup: :dmw:

[Legolei]

Ye thats my fault, I forget to load the log program -.-

The BoT logs are uploaded.

[Twyst]

The other thing to highlight, is that the tentacle prio is not just for dps - anyone with an interrupt HAS to use it on a tentacle in P2 at every CD.

This includes the tank who's not on Choggy. I got my ass chewed by Whitey 1st (and only) time I didn't do that :S

[pälsboll]

What worries me the most is the lack of DPS and movement, not just in this fight but overall. If you look at the logs(and you should) and you are below 10K DPS(e) then youre doing bad.
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I just have to ask about that.. Is it DPS(e) that we should have over 10k? I been looking the DPS numbers.. (the one without the e)
just wanna know so we talk about the same numbers

[Arcticfire]

@palls, ye the DPS(e) should be over 10K
Atleast that should be the goal, because the e stands for effective IIRC

[TeaLeaf]

Correct Arctic.  

DPS is a measure of the level of DPS you were doing when you were active.
DPS(e) is a measure of how much DPS you did across the whole fight including the times when you were not active (ie not using abilities or casting etc).

Ignoring rounding errors:   DPS x Active% = DPS(e)

Ignoring specific combat roles: If your Active% is low then you have to ask what you could have done in the time where you were not doing anything.  Low Active% leads to lower DPS(e) which is a more accurate measure of the contribution you make to that particular fight.