Bastion of Twilight: Cho'gall - Defeated March 31st 2011

[TeaLeaf]

Given that this dude was killed in early raiding by folks in blues, can we put it to rest that we are under-geared please?  We're not under-geared, we are over-geared if anything and this Chog dude should die.

[Slush]

As you were so kind to show us, that healer pumped out 2 times the healing of each one of us, confirming my doubts about our (healers) performance, that MUST be improved, since there surely is space for improvement. To prove this point is enough to check the other aszune's guild who recently have killed Cho'Gall for the first time: they were all going for a 3 healers setup and a general raid healing of about 32k. Of course, some used a particular setup for this fight (like 2x survival hunters, to abuse all the traps talents), but in general the setup was similar to ours.

Wait Tirkad.. wait....wait.... dont you understand the mechanics here? We 2 healed this down to.... 6%!? Remember?
We had that try when people were relatively unfamiliar with phase 2.

Healing done shouldnt be 32k per second unless our tanks take too much damage or 2-3 persons are standing in flames for minutes.

We have 24k healing done per second. This covers the damage taken in phase 1.
The mechanics of this fight says; If you get Corrupted Blood in phase 1, you will get more damage taken in phase 2.
We have so much corrupted blood in phase 1, that its no way noone is going to live through phase 2 with that amount of damage taken.

Let me see... one try. Only one try where we enter phase 2 with all on 0 stacks, and i promise you... its a kill.

[Tirkad]

LOL
Let me see just 1 try on each boss where we are at 1% with all people up and full, and i can assure it's a kill!

P.S.: I'm not saying that i am undergeared for the fight, quite the opposite (didn't i say that guilds in our situation have managed to kill him?). The gear reference was to the fact that i will never be able to get 13k+ of healing thone on this fight, but i sure can do much better than what i've done last night, that's all.

[Slush]

LOL
Let me see just 1 try on each boss where we are at 1% with all people up and full, and i can assure it's a kill!

Now you're taking my statement out of context.
You are one of the best we got at avoiding gettting Corrupted Blood.
You think... that you should do more healing, because others are not avoiding getting Corrupted blood (=more damage taken)?


I say... no!
Lets all make a "NO to corrupted blood"-day!

[Grimnar]

Well yesterday i asked to swap with Tan as i knew for myself that i was a sort of dps loss to the raid.
 
I know for myself that i look at to much stuff (still the little tank in me) but to react on the fight for myself.
 
I noticed that i was the main interrupter (more like only one) on the big add, when i wasn't able Hal stepped in but that should be the other melee.
Because of that my full focus went to the interrupts and there is one part of my dps loss on the add, every 10 seconds i have to interrupt and that costs me energy for what i have to make sure i have in time. So i don't even get 1 full rotation on the add.
 
On Choggy i get in 1,5/2 rotations before another big add. That includes before wave 1 (little adds) a beserk and after wave 3 a beserk, and yes then i have an beserk just ready for p2. Also i try to keep up an innervate rotation to the healers and help out on the little adds even when said to go full on boss.
 
For my feeling a feral druid aint that usefull in a fight like this, but that can be me.

[Slush]

You have some valid points Grim. But to be perfectly honest.. No, you are not excused.
A druid brings in lots of raid tools
-Battle Ress
-Innervate
-A Mark of the Wild thats... well...usually not needed in RGT .-)
And, as an interrupter on big add (Depravity).. Well, one of you, myth or Noreia has to do this, allthough Hal handles alot of them.

I know alot of you DPS'ers think... Grrrr... "Yeh, sure he could do better.. NOT". He doesnt even know what he is talking about, that damned Slush-urk.
And that is true. I got no idea how to get your dps to 15k in this fight :-D But I know that its possible with the gear and skills you all have .-)

[Switchback]

@ slush just for ur last point at dps....try a caster dps and even for that matter a melee that does inturupts but has to move....from boss to add to boss to little adds to boss....running round like a blue assed fly to get range and to avoid fire and other ****...
then ask for a dps push....
right tl is epic....hes a full time raider,not so much now but was....he is epic at what he does has **** loads of addons which help,i for 1 cant handlt that amount of info....ive tred and posted previously bout it.
After ur comments i feel like going back to being a healer

[Slush]

Switch, all I am saying is, that we need to optimize. :-)
And to optimize, one do need to turn stones.
Cata made us all start from scratch. But some of us has more raiding experience than others, yes.

In all fairness, me and dreaman are discussing totems and healing specs and rotations in these forums. And I try to be active to get more input.  I disagree with peoples reasoning too often, as its in my nature. But I do try it, and sometimes the new input suddenly is a part of my gameplan.
Im really sorry that many of the posts got deleted when the forums crashed, cause there were some interesting discussions.

When my druid got 85, i opened a thread in tanking forums. Its all lol, but saying how I do it often leads to someone else saying... "Here, this is how I do it. And I like it." maybe even with a link/explanation to why and how.
My DK and priority list... Twisted gave me input and answered on the forums. Really appreciated. Makes my DK tanking funnier and better.
Last thread made by a dps'er in the Melee DPS section of this forum was 27th May 2010.
Its a lack of posts and threads in the dps section of forums. Lack of interest?
There are nice posts everywhere:
     http://www.shadowpriest.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=23234

In this:
     http://www.shadowpriest.com/viewtopic.php?f=69&p=251866
There is an answer on how to dps the Tentacles.. I dont know if it is correct, but.. It should be discussed amongst the SPs thats raiding. Maybe even Grimnar reads this, and when RGW gets to Choggy, he will re-read and use it on his SP?!
"In the last phase I mind spike x3, mind blast, shadow word death the tentacles. Mind blast hits a lot harder since the last patch, especially when it crits as it usually will after 3 mind spikes. "
If I had a SP, I would have found this interesting.

Have any of the dps'ers been to maxdps.com, shadowpriest.com and such places? There are loads of interesting stuff. Elitistjerks.co is only a small fragment, and doesnt cover it all. Far from it.

I do actually believe TL when he says:

I looked on World of Logs and out of 35,805 logged Chogall kills, we have yet to reach the raid dps of the worst of them

So no, you are not allowed to go healing because i make a QQ post. (It was an informative QQ post, though)

[TeaLeaf]

Let's not make this too negative or personal please folks, we're trying to establish how to improve and kill the boss which is a positive thing for us all.  

Re dps addons, I actually just use the one addon which I helped you set up on TS the other day Switch, it's NeedToKnow which is a very simple bar timer to track my spell CDs and DOT expirations.  

If people think I am running something special then I am happy to share my UI & addon list and to put together a ZIP/RAR file with my raid UI in it with bossmod warnings, cast bars & timers in what I see as the right place etc.  I've never tried doing that before but I'm sure it can't be too hard and if it helps the raid then I'm more than happy to attempt it.

[Slush]

Lol. We got him guys! We got him gooood!

Just want to say GOOD JOB ALL!!

[JonnyAppleSeed]

How dare you nail him while im on my hols !!!  Well done all

Btw did you stick with the 2 healer strat ?

[TeaLeaf]

Nope, went with 3.  DPS managed to perk up and more importantly inbound damage was minimised.
Biggest P2 difference was the adds actually went down this time!

[Slush]

Hello, farm content.

[TeaLeaf]

Note for future.  MT healers need to stand apart during big add phase so that they do not both have to move at the same time to avoid shadow crash.

[Arcticfire]

Bump for wednesday, dont just read this fight but learn it aswell. Ill have to do the same, read these 8 pages aswell as they arent here for nothing!