Blackwing Descent: Nefarian & Onyxia - Defeated May 3rd 2011

[Arcticfire]

Oke where to start ,

first off all thanks to TL for joining us for a while to give some info about his experience about P1/2/3, after Sheepy gave his add tank advice last week.

after a 1-2 tries we went to P3 already(because P2 is just ****) and got quite far! 2% wipe damnit, I blame Sithy,Lego, Hermi, Vladic and Pals for not DOTing enough.

after that try we got to P3 all the time except 1, Sharpfang learned, and we felt, how important it is to interrupt especially just before the 10% AoE.
We major issue we had was flames into the DPS/healer camp, this wiped is the 2% wipe and all the other part where we got into P3.
I thougth this came because adds are to close, because those flames come from Neffs attack on those adds to revive them?

Anyway, still alot of progress in 1 night!

[TeaLeaf]

Flames can and will happen, often the way to deal with it is to make a larger rotation of the Nef tank to get into open space - this is a very tricky thing for healers to handle.  Fire in the camp is triggered by an add being closer to the raid than the add tank and the flame then proximity tracks iirc.  So the aim is to keep adds away as much as possible but still in range of your healers and on the same side of Nef.

[Whitey]

When the adds start to get really bad at around 10% get Pals to  help the outside tank with taunts on any loose adds getting near the group.  It helped a lot when Grim did this in RGT.

[Legolei]

after a 1-2 tries we went to P3 already(because P2 is just ****) and got quite far! 2% wipe damnit, I blame Sithy,Lego, Hermi, Vladic and Pals for not DOTing enough.

I'm assuming you're joking, right? My serpent sting was on Nef all throught the final part (50% of P2, 100% of P3) and more dots are not available for me. :sad:

Things that I think could use improvement:
1) Picking up the adds and positioning them where they will die. Hermioneg is starting to control them, but it will take a few more tries before we completely control it.
2) Healer aggro by adds: the question to answer is: why do healer get aggro and how can we prevent it? Aggro from healing Hermi? Aggro from healing tank?
3) Tail swipe of Onyxia: very annoying, preventing decent healing and dpsing. How can we position Onyxia and the raid better so we do not get tail swiped 4 to 5 times during P1?
4) Dreaman's mana problems: every try Dreaman ran out of mana, sometimes 2 or 3 times. Why? How can we prevent this? Why did the other healers not have this problem?

Personally, I waited in P1 with dpsing Onyxia until all adds were more or less controlled, using my freezing trap and misdirect trying to add some extra control to the adds. Most times this meant that Onyxia was already at 50-60% before I could start my rotation on Onyxia, and only my pet was doing some dps.
For P3 the same: I waited with dpsing to misdirect any adds below or very near to Nefarian. The adds in P3 surely can be kited many extra yards from Nefarian. Sometimes the adds just ran right through me, even while I was standing close to Nefarians leg (close for a hunter at least).

[Whitey]

The adds in P3 surely can be kited many extra yards from Nefarian. Sometimes the adds just ran right through me, even while I was standing close to Nefarians leg (close for a hunter at least).

They can be kited round the outside circle of the room (that's what we did) with MD's, Tricks etc of any adds that the outside tank can't get to.

You shouldn't have an issue with tail swipe.  The only person we had getting tail swiped was the Ony healer, everone else should be out of range.

[TeaLeaf]

2) Healer aggro by adds: the question to answer is: why do healer get aggro and how can we prevent it? Aggro from healing Hermi? Aggro from healing tank?

We had a resto druid (not mentioning Jas by name) who healed our Ony tank and he seemed to be an aggro magnet.  We never solved it, we just controlled it with shackles or traps as required.   The early spawns (which are shackled or trapped) are picked up by the kiting mage, so the shackle/trap is available for anything that hits the healer.  It helps the kiting mage tremendously if the adds can be dragged towards the south column before being trapped or shackled, this also increases the distance back to the healers!

3) Tail swipe of Onyxia: very annoying, preventing decent healing and dpsing. How can we position Onyxia and the raid better so we do not get tail swiped 4 to 5 times during P1?

Nothing we found that will help.  If you are in range of Ony for dps and Ony is turned for the Electric Discharge then you will get tail-swiped.  It's an annoyance but is something that can be healed through easily enough.

4) Dreaman's mana problems: every try Dreaman ran out of mana, sometimes 2 or 3 times. Why? How can we prevent this? Why did the other healers not have this problem?

Get more healing out of other healers and use mana regen abilities with better timing.  You have more regen that RGT had, 3 innervates, 1 mana tide, 1 mana hymn and the normal raid replenishment, so mana should be controlled even if you use a lot of it.  Use the Expression Editor in WoL to check who used what & when, healers should be all over this like a rash and posting the answers before you can as it is in their interests to get it right!

Personally, I waited in P1 with dpsing Onyxia until all adds were more or less controlled, using my freezing trap and misdirect trying to add some extra control to the adds.

..and this is absolutely the correct way to do it.  CC is prio at the start, those without a CC drop threat whenever they can and dps Ony.  By the time the adds are properly under control Ony will be as low as you say already, and when the adds start dropping all the dps should be on Nef already (bar the one Ony dps).

[Arcticfire]

@lego, what do you think lol.

[Slush]

Getting out of Magma in transition to phase 2:
Using WOLs Expression Editor (yay TL!), you can find out that you had some tries ruined by this.
     http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/6h6y9k4yr6gytcuk/xe/?x=fulltype+%3D+SPELL_AURA_APPLIED_DOSE+and+spell+%3D+%22Magma%22+and+amount+%3E+6

I dont know who was on different pillars, but these Magma (stacked to 6 or more) ticks dries out my mana in just a matter of seconds.
Its extremely hard to get that mana back up again (my guess is that Drea used HS to keep these Magma victims up, I know I would have).

[Sithvid]

I find that setting dreaman as focus is helpful,  I watch his manna pool and anticipate his call before he calls it,  using a macro to also announce it in raid and send a whisper. I can get two innervates in per fight on neff .