Shannox - Deafeated 12/07/11

[hubbah]

were the melee switching alot? and moving?

[TeaLeaf]

Rage moves but not massively so, so melee had to follow; traps force everyone to move every 10 secs or so, then Rip also moves.  A lot of moving.  Am thinking of dropping to only 1 melee for this fight, but I was hoping to be able to do it with two.

In terms of target switching, very little happened.  We burned Rage down first, then Shannox to 40%, then killed Rip, then pushed Shannox over 30% into P2.

[Noréia]

I moved a lot, thats why I only got trapped once during all the attempts but my dps was not really impressing. I understood that it is no dps race but a survival and not getting trapped game. We had so many trapped all the time. When this goes away, the dps should be fine. Don't you think? We had him at 6% once. Pretty close.

[hubbah]

Then i think the dps should be abit higher ye.. maybe its because it was a new fight for most ppl.
If i check logs from other guilds alot of em are around the 20k dps.. so that should be possible for us as well

Lets work abit harder sunday and get his down so we can start on the next boss

[hubbah]

Hey ya'll,

First off, i know ill be talking about both bosses we fighting now in the same post but its a bit stupid split up the post into 2 parts .

So yesterday was our 6th? day in firelands and had a few try's on shannox and got beth down.
As you all probably know i ( almost ) always say whats on my mind and sometimes thats not really motivational ( ofcourse sorry for that part.. im trying not to blurr everything out )
I'm ok with wiping on a boss if we are learning, trying new stuff or even getting new ppl to try new roles.

Ok now that that part is out of the way..

Yesterday we thought we would swing by Beth kill it and go on to shannox to have a few nice attempts on it and maybe even kill it.. ( maybe im abit to optimistic ) .
But what do you know.. it was like we were never there before.
The only reason we are not flying trew the content is because we "raiders" are screwing our selfs over.
The small mistakes are whats wiping us.
Hitting Heroism at the start, falling down holes, not saying when a tank is out of range, not fast enough on switching, hitting cooldowns when its not called out, standing in traps, taking avoidble dmg, etc etc.
This is really not a hard game if you just pay attention to your suroundings and communicate ( at least thats my opinion ).

I dont know the reason why other ppl are playing, but for me its to raid, thats the main reason.
When im in a raid i try to give my 110%, i try to get the most out my character and do the best at the job thats handed to me by the raidldrs.

Now for the last part wich is just about one thing

certain stages in a fight, ill take beth to make my point ..

Phase one is just a survive fight for the ppl downstairs so that the ppl upstairs can get the boss to as low as they can get.
The % you should aim for is 75%.
When the boss is higher then 75% the other ppl ( read healers mostly ) need to make up for that cause we need to survive longer to get it down.
Its not just beth its shannox as well.. when the doggy gets killed sooner its eazier for the healers.
And lets be honest most of this content is really healing intensive.

All im saying is to make this go alot smoother the dps NEEDS to go up or we will get stuck on bosses like balroc ( whatever his name is ).
I know im a **** and i keep bringing this up but its true.
I played a healer for 2 years a tank for 3 and now a dps for a few months ( start of cata. )
I think i can savely say that the more dps there is the less problems it gives for the tank but especialy the healers.

There are probably some spelling errors in here.. but im at work and cant be arsed to fish em out

And if people feel targeted, anoyed or whatever.. im sorry but i think stuff needs to be said to get beter.

Hubbah.

[Grimnar]

Well we downed him today, with what i have seen a very clean kill, everyone was still alive at the end.
 
We also learned a lesson for the melee dps part.
 
First few tries:
 
I stayed full on boss untill boss hit 40% then nuked the last dog. This caused an threat problem for whitey as i was nr 2 on agro with no change of him getting above me.
 
So i maked an suggestion to let me just kill the dogs and staying away from the boss untill last phase started.
 
last try:
 
As i am a melee dps that has no agro dump i went full time on the dogs, started on the "rage" doggie and when that dog died all dps swapped to the boss to nuke him down to 40% while i swapped on my own to "rip" the other dog. To make sure i did not build up any agro on the boss.
So when last phase started we had whitey nice and easy on second place on threat. as all other dps classes could dump their agro when we started phase 2 and i didn't had any agro on it.
 
But this also ment i was a sort of handicap to the raid dps.
Those dogs run around alot and i just had to tag along the walking.... With also avoiding the fires and mostly the traps. What indeed stopped me for a few seconds from time to time doing any dps. (a time to give away a heal or an innervate if that was from cooldown)
 
 
With the burn phase i used my tranc. and Puja and TL used their healing bursts at the end but it felt like it wasn't even needed. At the end it was a very clean kill.
 
That was my point of view of today from that fight.

[Whitey]

Other improvements we made to sort out the threat issue.  Hubbah was using MD to me from Shannox whenever he could and I was hitting the boss more than previous attempts.  This meant that we had stacks for longer as I was resetting every 2nd spear throw on average rather than every throw.  We did clear all of the stacks on Hal immediately before killing rip and going into the burn phase which  helped him survive the whole fight with no need for me to tank Shannox at all!  (after all of that work getting second on the threat table :narnar:)

[Legolei]

Seems we forgot to post these fine screenshots of out first Shannox kill. According to the date of the files, it happened on July 25th, 2011.

Our moment of fame and the successful team





The winning team of that night: Sharpfang,Treach,Dreaman,Sithysithvid,Vladic,Legolei,Hermioneg,Utrashock,Nimsraedian,Moonslash,Canaan,Deminion,Pälsboll.

[Sithvid]

is this the gold bonus thingy ?

[Legolei]

is this the gold bonus thingy ?

I heard someone say something about 500g, yes. Personally, when someone sends me money because we first killed Shannox, I'll return it.