Madness of Deathwing - DEFEATED 18/12/11

[TeaLeaf]

PS: TeaLeaf what addon you use for enemy nameplates?

http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/tidy-plates

Re heroism:
You can bump heroism to P2 if you have the margin on dps to beat the timer on the 4th platform.   When RGT did it for the first time we were only a few seconds ahead of the Cataclysm even with using heroism, so using it on P2 was not an option.   If post-nerf beating the timer on platform 4 is not an issue then I would leave heroism until you start your 11.5% burn in P2.  Whether 15 seconds si enough I'm not sure, I suspect it might be (RGT was 1-2 seconds ahead as a pre-nerf first kill comparison).

Re the deaths: looking at your 2 best tries there seems to be a pattern:

Try 11:
-Moonslash to Shrapnell
-both tanks to Terrors
-wipe followed

Try 10:
-Nims to Shrapnell
-both tanks to Terrors
-wipe followed

So, it seems like you lose people to Shrapnell (easy problem to fix if you all click the button at the right time), and you lose both tanks to Terrors.  The wipe follows once the tanks are down.   So the challenge is to fix the Terror DPS and to sort some CDs for the terror tanks when stacks get high.

Assign one tank's target as the focus DPS target and burn it down super fast.
Make sure that DPS have an assist macro for the Terrors to ensure you hit the right DPS target as soon as the chosen tank has it.  A two second delay in starting dps will mean a tank death and that will almost certainly means the other tank will also die due to being hit by both Terrors.
It is *seriously important* to not have either tank hit by both Terrors, so tanks should be split apart before they spawn to make sure you do not pull initial aggro from both.   RGT had several wipes due to this recently and the only thing we could see in the logs was double the hits normally expected (ie 2 x Terrors hitting a tank instead of 1 x Terror).
As Tetanus stacks build, do not be afraid to use CDs on keeping the tank alive (e.g. barksin, SI, ShWa, PS, pala HoP/HoS etc).  Yes you're trying to hold some raidwalls back for end P2, but a dead tank means you will die anyway!

HTH.

[Switchback]

Yup my timer bars actually cover the "button of love" so ive got those moved now and it hotkeyed now so i wont miss it again.

We were assigning Sharps target to go down first,marking it with a skull...Your right people were not quick enough swapping targets so he kept going down then would Treach..wipe.. As you say Tl we need to get the dps on them asap...I use tidy plates also and its great.once its installed all you do is press "v" or which ever brings up the mobs bar on your own setup....it shows all your ticks on it and such but it just makes it easier to swap targets. So please if you dont have it or similar get it!

Healing wise we are fine.In P2 we have pretty much all our raidwalls ready for use. We were having mana issues to start but that was due to people being in a line for curruption slam but we have that sorted now.

[Nimsraedian]

Looking forward to looting your shinies tonight.

Sincerely,

One of your killers.

[Arcticfire]

And please take nims with you, at the end!
:narnar:

[TeaLeaf]

As RGW are hammering hard on the door that is the final boss in Dragon Soul, I thought it salient to point out this:

RGT's first kill of Madness had a total of 375k rdps.
Since then the boss has had a 5% nerf.
The worst dps recorded last night during the RGW raid was 380k rdps.  

YOU (RGW) HAVE THE DPS, it just may not be hitting the right thing at the right time with the right spell.

(the following comments are using the best try last night which was 3-4 seconds from Phase 2)

So, having shown that you already have the dps let's do some group analysis:

Blistering Tentacle DPS:
This is where you lose time on the 3rd & 4th platform, handling waves of Blistering adds.   There's way too much variance in dps here which means people are either targeting the wrong thing or using the wrong cast.

Nims - 801k
Hermi - 733k
Cynba - 721k
Sith - 356k
Hanne - 344k

!! pre-assigning melee to center, splitting ranged dps to focus left & right will help reduce this, as will choosing quick casts where you are not the only one on the target.  This should bring Hanne's & Sith's dps up substantially, which in turn means that the raid can then return to dps the Arm/Wing to beat the Cataclysm timer.  That's at least 5 seconds, probably closer to 10 seconds to be saved here per platform.

Regenerative Blood DPS
The key to killing these quickly is to have them grouped up at the toenail so that the Arm/Wing gets splash damage at the same time.  If healers stand there then that's where all the bloods will head and this makes it real easy to dps them down.  However we have people not making best use of their dps here and here's the evidence:

RGT uses 15m damage to kill the adds in this fight
RGW in your best try used 22.5m to kill the adds, so you wasted 7.5m damage on the Bloods by not killing them before they regenerated their health.

Sharpfang - 5.5m
Cynba - 4.4m
Hermi - 4.1m
Hanne - 2.9m
Sith - 2.5m
Nims - 1.9m
Deriánez - 0.9m

There are class reasons why some will never top this table, Nims for example is doing about the right level of dps here for his class, but Sith & Deri can up there dps hugely on this which means the bloods to not Regen to full health, which in turn means they die in 15m damage and do not take 22.5m damage.   I realise that Deri is out of spec last night, but we should all know that bloods need to die asap.  7.5m @ say 500k rdps (allowing for AOE) spread over 4 platforms is a saving of at least 4 seconds per platform.   This change alone would have got you past platform 4 last night and into Phase 2.

Elementium Bolt
Let's deal with the DPS but first:  if you blow heroism for the tentacle on platform 4 then you can kill it before you get to the bolt which helps HUGELY as it allows people to position correctly for the AOE bolt damage.  The key here is the difference in damage on platform 4 when the hasted bolt hits:

RGT take about 1.2m damage
RGW take 2.2m damage

So, RGW need to group around and in range of their raid wall on time.  Don't stack too early (or you'll all get Crush damage), but be spread within range of the chosen CD and sufficiently far enough away from the landing point so that when the bolt arrives you can run into position before it lands.  YES, you can see the bolt arrive, it does not just materialise on the platform and go bang!  So watch for the bolt coming whilst DPSing the tentacle, start moving towards the assigned collapse point when the bolt is due and make sure you are in range of the raidwall before the bolt hits!  The assigned raidwall healer can be watching for the bolt (turn your camera as you are already stood in the assigned collapse point) and hit it when the bolt comes in and BEFORE it  lands.   Same for the Healer CD (tranq in your case).

Finally, all dps should be using the macro given in the video to help them IMMEDIATELY burn the Bolt down.  Gather, hit macro, burn bolt and spread to minimise follow-on Crush damage.   The extra damage taken is partly poor mitigation, partly poor dps.

PLATFORM 4 ³/₄
This platform is all about raid efficiency; hitting the right thing at the right time and not wasting anything.  DPS is not the issue for RGW at the moment, it's inefficiency with the DPS or cooldowns you already have.   Use them effectively and I think I have shown you that Phase 2 is something you can and should be returning to on each attempt.  

Along the way we've also saved almost 40 seconds on the enrage timer for Phase 2 use.

Phase 2
Once you are into Phase 2 the fight turns to one of control.  Kill the adds with the utmost efficiency, single target one Terror down ASAP, then burn the other.  Then time your entry into the sub-10% world and make sure you can burn continuously from 10% to the kill.   Time your entry poorly and you'll end up with Terrors raping the raid and wiping.   Timing it correctly (ie having the boss HP at the right level to push through 10% as soon as the last Terror is down) is the way to a smooth kill (chain your raid walls as required towards the end of the fight).

Madness will be yours if you tighten up on these elements of the fight.

Macro help
I have one macro which I have bound to hotkey ('F' in this instance) which helps me target things I think I need help targeting quicker.  It changes over time to reflect the fights I am doing, but here is what it looks like currently:

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/target Elementium Bolt
/target Burning Tendons
/target molten
/target right
/target Obnoxious
/target blazing
/target Flail
/target Eye

The way the macro works is that it will try to target the first name in the list and if not found will try to target the second name in the list, and if not found will try to target the third name in the list, and so on.   I strongly recommend that all dps have something like this. As you can see, it works for a number of fights, not just Madness.

Green Button Problems
If you have problems clicking green buttons for Shrapnell, use this macro on a hotkey.

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/click ExtraActionButton1

Hope this helps RGW.

[Sithvid]

That does help me a lot TL ty

[Cynba]

nice I didn't know about multiple lines for the target macro, always used 1 line which I edited before each fight will save some time :narnar:

[Niel]

Platform 4 Elementium Bolt - In RGT as i am usually the gather point for Healing Rain/Spirit Link totem......i use the boss mod timer bar that shows Elementium Bolt Explosion time to decide my cast time for Healing Rain/Spirit Link so both are down fractionally before the bolt lands and goes boom i then make sure to target alternately melee ( who are first out of the aoe healing ) and ranged with chain heal to top back up......with of course the focus to spread back out asap once the bolt is gone.......timing is critical here as if the tentacle is still up a Crush on a large group would be painful.

Obviously swap out my rain + spirit link for whatever raid wall and healing CD that you are using ....but the timing of it can be pretty much nailed to a fraction of a second before bolt explosion.

[Slush]

Platform 4 Elementium Bolt - In RGT as i am usually the gather point for Healing Rain/Spirit Link totem......i use the boss mod timer bar that shows Elementium Bolt Explosion time to decide my cast time for Healing Rain/Spirit Link so both are down fractionally before the bolt lands and goes boom i then make sure to target alternately melee ( who are first out of the aoe healing ) and ranged with chain heal to top back up......with of course the focus to spread back out asap once the bolt is gone.......timing is critical here as if the tentacle is still up a Crush on a large group would be painful.

I did just this for the first time yesterday in RGT, and it worked like a charm.

For RGW, that does not have a healing shammy, maybe a DG-AM-Tranq at this point will carry you safely through this phase?

[Arcticfire]

Normally they/we use Barrier and a Tranq. However I might start using my SLT now aswell .

[Sharpfang]

i use rallying cry also when we gather for the last bolt. as weve seen pointed out here, its more about people not hitting the right thing, rather than not doing high nuff dps.

[Arcticfire]

gz guys, well done tonight. and gz with the mount, Erive

[pälsboll]

grats to killing the little hatchling ops! I mean the big ugly dragon DW .. well done :yahoo:

[Switchback]

Gz for tonight.....

We still had to use 2 rgt alts to get the kill,not that they bolstered us(no offence) but we had to use them for certain reasons.

I want a RGW kill next week!

Sorry for the swapping about and taking others instead of yourself,but I had a trial in and we had some dps issues....Next raid week i will get the RGW members in who dont have the kill and a full RGW grp

[Sithvid]

yahhooo gtz to RGW
I am happy to keep fighting, or sitting on this boss until all RGW have the kill.

p.s. in all the excitement I messed up the dkp tonight but will sort it soon...