Rush on our server

[TheDvEight]

I was the player on the roof. I dropped out of the helicopter as it passed over the dry dock to land a spawn beacon on the roof. I then went to the edge of the roof to spot and I also took a few shots at the guys next to the objectives. I then heard Grommit on TS comment on me being on the roof, and we kinda went into a 1on1 sniper war. As I explained earlier DrunkenZombie got caught in the crossfire, and for that I am sorry.

I will refrain from returning fire into the spawn are from now on. As the "shooting from spawn = fair game" rule has obvious drawbacks when identifying targets.

 As the "shooting from spawn = fair game" rule has obvious drawbacks when identifying targets yes because 9 times out of 10 its to hard to shoot the person shooting you in the spawn but then again i didnt really like being shot/killed in the spawn from the team-mates/squad members/forum regulars who were on the roof with you that is not how to play rush.

[Vargen]

I was playing on Seine Crossing and was on the losing side and thoughly enjoyed the teamwork i had with varg fraust and bazer even though we lost, the server is set to swap players over on auto balance is the teams are stacked +2 on one side unless im mistaken?

This is correct. The server does auto balance. As I said earlier, I did not catch any desperate cries for balance. I did however hear someone requiesting Naldo to change team. That was the last game I played tonight though. I don't know if that was the game you ment. We ended up being ALL the dMw members on the same team in the end, and we had a blast playing tactics and moving as a squad. We still lost, as some of our regular pubies are really good, but it was fun none the less.

[Naldo]

Yes...How selfish I am....

Switching to a team that was getting raped, creating a new squad, getting dMw members to join me and helping them out.

Guiding them around the map and spotting for them, issuing orders etc

The round before that (the one with the carrier rape) I spent 95% of that game in a transport chopper ferrying dMw members and publics back and too between the ship and the land.
To try and turn the game. Faust was even laughing at me because I was getting shot down all the time

I am sooooooo selfish.

ps. I am not an admin

[TheDvEight]

all players apart from one (from my understanding where on the same side THE LOSING SIDE) Te_Owner was on the other side and on teamspeak and seemed to throughly enjoy kicking our butts as he didnt have any grevience about team balance/skill balance

[DrunkenZombiee]

I wasn't on TS. I was asking in the text chat on the server, very politely, for someone to swap sides.
 
That's not my complaint. You were ignoring the fact that one team was getting totally pumped.

It was me having a hissy fit on TS not Tut. Tut was typing in game which I did point out on TS before he left.

I had a really bad 2 rounds too guys, it wasn't much fun not even standing a chance to get to objectives. There was even c4 right up against the spawn area preventing our tank from coming out. When I tried to shot the c4 I got sprayed by way too many bullets to even get a shot off.

When its that unbalanced its like shooting fish in a barrel.... No fun for anyone.

Sometimes I wish that there was no levelling system in FPS games (like CS) as it encourages less teamwork and a "kill at any cost" mindset for a lot of players trying to get to level 50 as quickly as possible. As a casual game I probably wont hit 50 by the time the next one comes out so for me its all about the fun of playing with some mates. Tonight wasn't fun!

Let hope this get sorted as most of the time its all fun, fun, fun, with a great bunch of guys having a laugh on TS =).

DZ

[faust82]

The thing that really bugs me is, I shouldn't have to ask for someone to swap teams. If your team has capped every point, and you've got buckets of kills and a two man advantage - do you not think it might be sensible to even things up a bit?

Both Naldo and Varg did, when it became apparent that the US side weren't able to come together as a team and mount a proper breakout attempt. Instead, most of US were doing the middle lemming route. Before Varg and Naldo switched, Bazer had already led me and I think it was Snokio out on a flanking run and capped C.

This game is as much tactics and strategy as it is anything else. A lockdown is a lockdown, and it can happen even when both teams have the exact same level of individual skill. It's teamwork that wins, not individual performance.
Trying to keep it perfectly fair at all times is, in my opinion, punishing teamwork and rewarding teams that break down. Player number advantages are automatically fixed by the autobalancer. Going over to the other team to even things up should be something all members ought to consider regularly, but not until it's absolutely clear that the other team is beyond turning it around for themselves.
At the point where you quit, that point hadn't yet been reached. At that point, it was a spawnkilling issue, not a balance issue. Once the spawnkilling was curbed, it became apparent that the balance was off, Varg and Naldo switched, and despite rallying and working together as a true team, we still lost it.

And if you'd listened to the comms, Naldo did make several attempts at changing sides, but every time he tried the autobalancer had beaten him to it, and the game wouldn't let him switch due to the crap playernumber algorithm not letting you give a team a player advantage. if it's 10-10 or 11-10, you can't change, because that would make it 9-11 or 10-11, giving the team you're joining the edge. There has to be a clear two player advantage, and even then you're gonna have to sit around and ninja the available spot before the autobalancer does it.

[Vargen]

I wasn't on TS. I was asking in the text chat on the server, very politely, for someone to swap sides.

That explains it. Call me simple, but I just can't focus on the game, multiple conversations mixed with info and tactics on TS AND read the chat. I'm also dyslexic, so you may or may not understand that the chat in BF3 is not the best option to communicate with me at least.

[Naldo]

It was me having a hissy fit on TS not Tut. Tut was typing in game which I did point out on TS before he left.

Oppologies about this mix up between you both.

Sometimes I wish that there was no levelling system in FPS games (like CS) as it encourages less teamwork and a "kill at any cost" mindset for a lot of players trying to get to level 50 as quickly as possible. As a casual game I probably wont hit 50 by the time the next one comes out so for me its all about the fun of playing with some mates. Tonight wasn't fun!

If you follow your squad leader and carry out the task he has assigned. together as a team. Spot for each other etc etc

You will gain more points than you would just kill hunting. Fact.

You get score multipliers for everything you do as a team.

[faust82]

Trying to keep it perfectly fair at all times is, in my opinion, punishing teamwork and rewarding teams that break down.

To clarify this one, premature balancing action because one team has found a strategy and work together in a way that gives them the advantage nerfs them, and such doesn't encourage teams to play tactically. If the perceived imbalance carries though map after map it's a completely different case, but allowing proper teamwork to secure a decisive win on a single map isn't wrong in my opinion.

[TheDvEight]

i do not pay much attention to the text chat in game for bf3 apart from randomly looking at it and seeing publics swearing ive not seen many dmws using it apart from to say hi, we should be making an effort to discuss things in teamspeak and be on teamspeak while on bf3 to help promote teamwork with other memebers on ts shouldnt we?

[faust82]

In complete agreement there DD. I mean, what do we have teamspeak for if we're not gonna use it? The textchat is just some annoying box that turns up to the side in various shades of blue. I only look at it when I see green for the squad..

[Vargen]

In complete agreement there DD. I mean, what do we have teamspeak for if we're not gonna use it? The textchat is just some annoying box that turns up to the side in various shades of blue. I only look at it when I see green for the squad..

I actually can't read it before it fades away most of the time. But then my reading speed is below avarage. I do compensate by talking a lot though

[Bazer_Punk]

I came on tonight just before the carrier rush map started and was on the land defending side the first round where the pubs raped the carrier, there where a lot of wrong doings from randoms at that round, and most of the dMw's I noticed tried to do things to fix it, either in chat or by moving back like i did after a little while. Second round when I was on the attacking side I started in the chopper flew a few guys in that jumped out before faust owned my ass with AA, then I took a boat to the far left and people spawned on me, about that time we just rushed and took the map in about 20minutes, so it's not impossible. As what happened on the roof of the boat yard on that second round I don't know, other that on the first round it was quite easy to take out people on the roof when they tried that strategy.

On Seine Crossing when we where pushed back to our spawn, my squad with Dick, Faust and Varg tried for A a bit, but I found it useless after a few atemts, then I just ran for the far right side of the spawn, didn't meet anyone and got all the way to C bridge where the rest spawned on me and we capped C, then E and D before anyone else even noticed, this was about the same time when things got hot on TS and ingame chat, everyone was just madly focused on the A flag. I have no idea what happened on the square between A and our main, but people need to be more explorative and check out the maps, sure if the mined the roads so the tank was useless and the nade/mortar spamming was intense it's frikkin anoying, but I didn't meet any resistance from our main, all the way trough C,E and D, just when I went back for B i met someone that nailed me..  also as meeting high skilled shooters like TE-Owner and others, just learn how they act, he's way better and faster then me, but still started to comment about my M60

Edit: Faust just reminded me that Varg joined our side and squad later on in the round in Seine Crossing, may have been Snookio in the squad at that time..

[Snokio]

Im not on ts very often as there is a lot of chat going on, not in a bad way, just by the sheer number of people who join so can be difficult to gets a word in

[faust82]

Yeah, TS can be bit of a mayhem. Some want the general chatter, others talk tactics, and usually both teams talk their team tactics in the same channel because noone wants to miss out on the general random hijinks.
It's a bit of a wishful scenario, but I'd wish there was some possibility of listening to two channels at once, and mapping a separate talk key to each channel. That way, you could do the tac stuff, and still opt into the mayhem if you wanted.
That's not possible on our server though, since TS3 won't run several instances, and you can't hook two tabs up to the same server since it checks for duplicate ID's. Takes some ugly workarounds to get my scenario going there.. Feature request?