HEROIC Warmaster Blackhorn - DEFEATED 01/04/12

Cynba · July 11, 2012, 01:56:36 PM

Found this recent thread on MMO champ http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1152643-Advice-Help-with-Heroic-Warmaster

nice read.. some extra info is always welcome I guess

Grimnar · July 11, 2012, 10:28:16 PM

RGW had a few tries today,

Last try went pretty k and came pretty far into phase 1, looked more organised etc.

The thing i want to ask from the raiders at this time is to be more open into taking the little purple swirly thingies...
I know we signed pairs for the 4 area's of the ship, but as we all noticed with all the movement going on including the fire there are no area's to cover left for asigned people.

So for next run i would ask, that if the little thing spawns near you even if it aint in your area to take it, as long as you don't have the debuff that is.
As taking the thing on your own is just to risky even with the trinket etc..

Also after the big group up part i would love to see everyone splitting off in any direction as quickly as possible, when you see that ball landing start moving out! As most of the time there where still 2/3 people waiting there finding a target to dps while they should have moved out to avoid the charge(s).

I havn't looked at the logs but that is what i noticed, if we all improve on that then the fight should become easier as it will become a routine fight.

TeaLeaf · July 12, 2012, 07:38:09 AM

Quote from: Ice Hawk;354561i would love to see everyone splitting off in any direction as quickly as possible, when you see that ball landing start moving out! As most of the time there where still 2/3 people waiting there finding a target to dps while they should have moved out to avoid the charge(s).

I havn't looked at the logs but that is what i noticed, if we all improve on that then the fight should become easier as it will become a routine fight.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-hwcw4vlef1dx6bvh/spell/109014/?enc=wipes&boss=56427
That's the list of who got hit by Blade Rush across all 11 tries.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-hwcw4vlef1dx6bvh/spell/109204/?enc=wipes&boss=56427
This is the list of who soaked Twilight Barrage and how many times across all 11 tries. The ones that were missed and therefore where the ship took the damage are listed here.

Treach · July 12, 2012, 03:00:51 PM

Who's the tank with the lowest strikes and 2nd highest abosorbs?

Treach!

But seriously. Last night, it really felt like our 1st couple of attempts, things seemed to be going well but there wasn't enough people absorbing and the ship tooki way too much damage way too quickly. It seemed like the ship caught fire before the 2nd wave of adds on most attempts. That's not good.

Sharpfang · July 12, 2012, 03:51:32 PM

as a melee dps i find those charges to be hell hard to even see with all the **** going on

Switchback · July 16, 2012, 01:27:09 AM

Yeah we do need to work on the absorbs as the ship catches fire to quickly and therefore makes it harder to move etc.

It was out 1st "real" try at him and it was the last hour of raid. Hopefully today we will be fresher and we know what to do,its just bringing it all together.

Cynba · July 16, 2012, 11:33:07 PM

Looking at logs, Oddbals took alot more blade rushes then average, & Grim soaked more (too many? :narnar: ) barrages compared to others. Think with some more tries & getting more used to the fight (+ the next nerf..) we should be able to get at least into phase 2.

Anyway, phase 1 is like this if you watch it for 20sec: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn15BUFBvu8&feature=player_detailpage#t=32s

TeaLeaf · July 17, 2012, 08:54:42 AM

From my perspective the things I think you need to work on are:

not running too far to soak (it loses way too much dps and some melee in particular are suffering here)
not soaking too much (you should never miss an onslaught due to having the debuff, so aim to soak after onslaught then watch your timers and stop 15sec before next onslaught)
faster target switching to maintain dps levels (logs show downward dips where there should not necessarily be any)
Better initial ramp up of dps on the Twilight Assault Drake and for fire mages application of combustion where possible
Blade Rush avoidance!

Most tries ended due to avoidable deaths or being overrun. Both can be resolved and that will allow you the extra 30 seconds or so to reach Phase 2.

hubbah · July 17, 2012, 09:11:14 AM

Took us over a 100 try's as well

youll get there! goodluck

TeaLeaf · July 17, 2012, 12:25:15 PM

Quote from: hubbah;354834Took us over a 100 try's as well youll get there! goodluck

The good news is that we killed the boss on only our 3rd entry into Phase 2 and our 1st entry into Phase 2 with all 10 people alive. Getting to Phase 2 is not just the first half of the fight, it *is* the fight!

Switchback · July 17, 2012, 02:54:19 PM

On the whole it was better. I made improvements on blade rush but still need to get better. (logs show quite a few for me but i was standing in them to die when we called the wipe)

Big up to yaril and hermi both dps was alot better and hermi your movement was LOADS better.

My soaking was pretty crap tbh,i would solo soak or forget my trinket so these are areas i need to work on.

Looking forward to weds for a new nerf and some progression on both Hagara and warmaster...read up,watch vids and get your trinket if you dont have it

Nimsraedian · July 17, 2012, 07:17:21 PM

I will have to do a lot better on the barrages. I noticed during the encounter that i was always a few secs late, or just focussing too hard on my target instead of all of my surroundings.
But i know what to improve on and i will be doing that next time!

Grimnar · July 17, 2012, 10:09:11 PM

My dps is a little problem and hard to do as a feral, as keeping a rotation going is very difficult. But ferals are superb at soaking, i can take 2 small swirly's and a big one in a row because of the defense cooldowns.

1 little paired with someone
1 little with the trinket
and the big one with survival instincts.

That is also why i soaked so many, i changed my soaking run to only those that are really close later on in the tries as i needed to focus more on dps as was said that some people focused to much on soaking that sometimes aint needed.

But yeah a feral druid aint the best dps for this fight as at the moment i don't see myself keeping any rotation going on the mobs with all the movement etc.
But we bring alot of other stuff with us in the raid: battleresses, innervates, multisoaking, movement increases

oohh and the most important one: the moonfire attack at the start of the fight at the dragon

TeaLeaf · July 17, 2012, 10:29:03 PM

I think the dps is needed more than the extra soaking Grim. I know you think cats are poor on this fight, but this still shows them doing a median 33k dps which is pretty close to many other classes.

At the moment one of the issues is getting behind on dps on the Dread & Slayer, that's where the efforts need to go imo.

TeaLeaf · July 20, 2012, 11:01:16 AM

Quick reminder of the Consuming Shroud fight mechanic for RGT (and it might help RGW too) as we killed someone with friendly healing last night:

When someone gets this debuff it means the next 100k of healing received is negated and that any healing they receive is also thrown back at the raid as AOE damage to EVERYONE.

The way to deal with this debuff is to group up, put down Healing Rain, Efflorescence etc and SLOWLY trickle heal through this absorbed damage amount (much like you would for Plasma on HC Spine). The trickle healing is exactly the same as the AOE damage taken thus the debuff is neutralised and easy to deal with.

What you do NOT do is target the person with the debuff and then slap a dirty great big single target heal on them which crits for 67k as it means that everyone else in the raid takes 67k damage as well. This can kill people and it did last night.

This public service message is now over!