HEROIC Warmaster Blackhorn - DEFEATED 01/04/12

[JonnyAppleSeed]

Btw, I'm loving the interraction here.  Regardless of disagreement or  not, I believe that the fact we all actively & vigorously debate  different ideas is what makes us stronger as a raid team. :thumbsupsmileyanim:

Yep me also

[microid]

when the last drage dies theres a 10s countdown before P2 starts. the big adds can be alive whit low health. before last drake dies.
if you want i can start nuking whit my chain ligthning on the biggys after second set of drakes. then they will be down before the drakes. that wont solve the ship hp thou =(

[Niel]

Whoah....i get home and this thread has got all lively

My twopence worth.

I remain to be convinced on three healers - there were not many initial deaths that were to lack of healing ( where it hadn't already started unravelling ). We had a few single soaks that were not intended to be single, and then some soakers that got blade rushed shortly after soaking - most of this points to awareness and not healing being the issue. The dps loss would be an issue right now that we could no cope with i think.

In terms of healing output - we are running around 17-18K HPS most attempts and we had a few attempts near the end where it was mostly ticking along nicely and well under control...........where the fail was actually ship death due to too much damage due to insufficient soaking. Many deaths were the result of lack of co-ordination within soaking teams.

I am tempted to say that with 3 healers we would see many of the same deaths that we are now as the damage that was most often killing people was a block of damage in a very short time due to mistakes.

Single soaking - we had a few goes but it wasn't good. I would like to see this revisited maybe and people actually follow single soak as a tactic......when we were single soaking we had people still following the dual soak method and it was nothing more than confusion from what i could see as we had a complete mixture with people doing neither one thing or the other.

Cheers

Niel

[Siffredi]

Whoah....i get home and this thread has got all lively

My twopence worth.

I remain to be convinced on three healers - there were not many initial deaths that were to lack of healing ( where it hadn't already started unravelling ). We had a few single soaks that were not intended to be single, and then some soakers that got blade rushed shortly after soaking - most of this points to awareness and not healing being the issue. The dps loss would be an issue right now that we could no cope with i think.

In terms of healing output - we are running around 17-18K HPS most attempts and we had a few attempts near the end where it was mostly ticking along nicely and well under control...........where the fail was actually ship death due to too much damage due to insufficient soaking. Many deaths were the result of lack of co-ordination within soaking teams.

I am tempted to say that with 3 healers we would see many of the same deaths that we are now as the damage that was most often killing people was a block of damage in a very short time due to mistakes.

Single soaking - we had a few goes but it wasn't good. I would like to see this revisited maybe and people actually follow single soak as a tactic......when we were single soaking we had people still following the dual soak method and it was nothing more than confusion from what i could see as we had a complete mixture with people doing neither one thing or the other.

Cheers

Niel

I must say that i agree with Puja and TL on this one - This doable with 2 healers - We are not struggling with healing output, more with learning to soak and dps/heal efficiently while. As Puja said we had decent tries where the ship blew up or where we were overwhelmed by fire in the end, but mostly healing was allright and only a problem right after an onslaught where everyone is on low and spread around. This is the time where a charge is very bad or a soak can hurt, but i think we got alot further last night, and feel the 2. phase is just ahead of us, just need that last push, which im certain we will do tomorrow! :-)

[TeaLeaf]

After making ourselves endure almost two full raid nights of really sloppy performance, we partially redeemed ourselves somewhat in the last hour of the raid last night with some real good efforts on Blackhorn and our first entry into Phase 2 of Heroic Blackhorn.  

Nice job folks, let's re-focus and make use of this on Tuesday night by killing the dude! :clap2::w00t2::thumbsupsmileyanim:

[JonnyAppleSeed]

What Ive happend to notice is that if you dont stand near the fire it  wont spread that much. The mechanic of the fire works like this (I  belive) Fire spreads over the ship very slow and the gnomes do have time to take  it away before it's all over the ship. But if a player is running thru  it the player takes the flames from the fire and spread them further  away on the ship and then fire will be everywhere. Avoiding this we did  just moved the hell away from fire like 10 yards away.

Worth keeping in mind

[Siffredi]

Also confirmed its working to stand in fire that they are putting out it will go away fast then - Might help on getting better view on what is on fire and whats not.

[Slush]

Worth keeping in mind

Some say that, some say its totally opposite, some say its RNG. If I know Blizzard correctly; they did something wrong at 4.3.3, said its "working like intended" and they never look back.

[TeaLeaf]

Fire was totally random last night, our best & cleanest entry was when we soaked during the first wave and then did not bother to soak any more Barrages until the Ship was at 25% or so.   That's just bizarre.  Conversely, one of our best soaking tries had us hit the 3rd wave of Drakes with the ship at 45% and the deck was entirely covered with fire.  Go figure.

I'm at a real loss here guys and need some help - I've googled & rerad practically everything I can find and I cannot figure out where or how to improve with consistency what we are doing.  Help please!

[Jesung]

Fire was totally random last night, our best & cleanest entry was when we soaked during the first wave and then did not bother to soak any more Barrages until the Ship was at 25% or so.   That's just bizarre.  Conversely, one of our best soaking tries had us hit the 3rd wave of Drakes with the ship at 45% and the deck was entirely covered with fire.  Go figure.

I'm at a real loss here guys and need some help - I've googled & rerad practically everything I can find and I cannot figure out where or how to improve with consistency what we are doing.  Help please!

Ok after doing a little sleuthing it seems that the fire spreads in the direction of a player that is very close to the fire, so if people are shuffling an inch over then the fire can be dragged across the whole boat. No obviously I wasn't there last night but that may be a reason for a boat load of fire.

Essentially when the fire spawns run away from it and avoid spreading it to the middle and such.

[Niel]

I did on the one go where i was near to fire keep having to move away and it seemed to keep creeping after me very soon after each move ( this was the go where we had the ship HP high but loads of fire )...........maybe the trick with fire is to keep the hell away from it and stay away from it.......one person go near it one the water is dropped on it just to stand in it ( and hopefully make it disappear )

[TeaLeaf]

Things that became clear afterwards:

Raidwall on Shockwave as Disrupting Roar comes a couple of seconds afterwards so should cover both.
IceBlock does not work for soaking Onslaught and an arcane mage does not have Cauterize!
I thought Consum,ing Shroud had ended, it hadn't.  Remain grouped up until it is over (helps healing).
Ranged DPS watch threat on Goriana as she lands - you've been humping her for 30 seconds so expect to have beter threat than the tank! (L2fade u muppet)

[microid]

how do you that goriana is a she. did you check under the tail =)
also i noticed that this time there where no fire in p2. when all our previous trys the hole deck was in fire???

[TeaLeaf]

Deck fire is extinguished over time, when we went into P2 the far end of the deck was ablaze.

[Azunai]

how do you that goriana is a she. did you check under the tail =)
also i noticed that this time there where no fire in p2. when all our previous trys the hole deck was in fire???

Look at the video. It's a proper inferno when the boss lands ;-) But the little gnomes luckily cleared it up rather fast.