HEROIC Yor'sahj the Unsleeping - DEFEATED 24/01/12

[Jesung]

I think I will change to Demo for this fight, it has a bit more of a burst style damage as opposed to affliction. which will help with the oozes, and it also has damn good AoE for the adds phases.

[Whitey]

We had a quick chat in officers after the raid about dropping back to 2 healers but adding a tank so that we could tank swap on 3 stacks of the debuf, resulting in greatly reduced healing requirement on the tank.  We also gain some extra dps versus the 3 healer strategy.  I found some logs of guilds using a 2 healer/2 tank strategy to look at as it might be something for us to try.  Saying that, most go with 2 healers and 1 tank.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-gef07rtoa9rgvggu/sum/damageDone/?s=6578&e=7217
[URL=http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/vs54jo5bxdihx9dx/sum/damageDone/?s=2798&e=3415]http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/vs54jo5bxdihx9dx/sum/damageDone/?s=2798&e=3415
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-p38pc6jvu1blgumd/sum/damageDone/?s=1874&e=2482
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/1s4y17jyy7atxzey/sum/damageDone/?s=8942&e=9550
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Another thing from looking at logs...

Riptide and earth shield on tank before purple phase starts and don't cancel earth shield.

[TeaLeaf]

2 tanks, 2 healers and 6 dps worked well last night and we saw good progress.  

DPS was more or less spot on to beat the enrage timer with this set up.

Black traffic light (AOE Heal phase) was handled using:
Heroism>Hymn>Tranquility>Spirit Link>Hymn>Candy   (depending on timing a DG might also be available from Whitey - 2 min CD)
We found we needed to use the DG to get best results and generally needed to aim to keep people above 50k health to stop a random bolt killling them.

The worst purple Raidwall phase was handled well and dealt with using:
DG>DG>PWB>RC


Our tries are getting steadily better for this encounter and we're on the edge of converting it to a kill imo.

[TeaLeaf]

The challenge continues.......

Last night we had some really good solid tries with our best being boss at 32% with 3 minutes to go on the enrage timer (that's slightly ahead of the DPS curve).   We're handling ALL of the aspects of this fight now on a fairly regular basis without deaths, including the Black Traffic Light oozes,  the Raidwall oozes and the mana orbs.

The thing that killed us on our otherwise 'first kill' tries was the second set of adds following the Black Traffic Light oozes.   We agreed last night (but ran out of time to test) that we would try to stay in mid and remain stacked for a few seconds to AOE the second wave of adds during that ooze set before then moving out to the new Ooze target.  This is what we need to work on this reset.  

Once we handle that final element of the fight, then we've got him and the bugger will drop phat purplz for us :thumbsup:

[TeaLeaf]

A possibility for the second set of adds might be to use the initial window before Fixate where threat can be directed or pulled and put ToT & MD to the tank?   That should clear some adds off the ranged and then we can finish them after ooze.   A combination of a slight delay, ToT/MD to get them off ranged and onto tanks might do the job?

[Whitey]

A possibility for the second set of adds might be to use the initial window before Fixate where threat can be directed or pulled and put ToT & MD to the tank?   That should clear some adds off the ranged and then we can finish them after ooze.   A combination of a slight delay, ToT/MD to get them off ranged and onto tanks might do the job?

I had to stop taunting them because of the extra damage from the adds in combination with the debuf (even on just 3 stacks it's close without the adds).  We can try it again but I don't think it will work.

[Azunai]

What I'm worried about most is the ooze. If we focus on the adds once they spawn until they're dead, we're going to be very late on the ooze I reckon. I think at least Jesung was oom at that point, maybe others as well. Because of that, I think if we want to get the ooze down, we may be better off to find some way to survive through the adds whilst killing the ooze, then dealing with the adds afterwards, rather than trying to kill them before/during the ooze. Either that or just save all mana resources to AoE that 2nd batch down.

[hubbah]

Think its possible for the dps to save a few cooldowns to get the ooze down faster?
Not sure if its possible, i usually blow my haste cooldown on the first ooze and the atackpower cooldown for the first round of little spawns ( if we dont get them i still use it but then to single target the boss ).
This way i can again use em 5 min into the fight ( 2nd round of oozes )

Seeing both of em are on a 5 min and the fight is on 8 min it is possible to delay using the cooldowns for the first 3 min but after that i risk not being able to use em twice.
Not sure how it is with the rest of us but maybe this is an idea.

[Azunai]

I'm more or less the same. Though I haven't been using recklessness on the oozes, I use it right at the start, before the first ooze spawns. I'm basically running all my dmg cooldowns during that period, including a prepot. I can do all of them almost exactly within the timeframe of start->first ooze. Recklessness will only be up for that tricky ooze if it comes after ~5:20 into the fight. I have plenty of other CDs though that are on a much shorter timer, but I have to keep using them and can't really save them. DPS loss on the boss would be too big I reckon. I guess I can use a 2nd pot when we get that tricky ooze.

[Niel]

First of all - apologies for getting a little tetchy in healer channel. When i cock up normally i hold my hands up..... But a few times tonite i was scratching my head.....what was in the log did not quite match what i saw on my screen. As for the healing on this fight.....its a bitch.......either loads of mana with little to do or no mana and lots to do.

We did seem to make some progress and all phases are doable and if we could choose the order they came in we'd be looking at a dead boss - as it is we have to play it as it is.

Purple phases - tanks will get 4 heals every buff period.....end of....it'll be 4 x GHW........tanks sometimes switch a little early with Whytee on only 2 stacks......you can really wait until 3 or of course but its not been an issue with contributing to wipes generally ( i can even call when i push Whytee to 3 if u like so that you have exact timing ).....sometimes Hal has had his 4 though and it's a tense count to the buff reset. On purple phases the damage tends to be more staged rather than big single hits so i will trigger a ghw when tank hits < two thirds HP as i want to be sure that whatever healing i do is not overhealing.

I'm not 100% sure about Jas's tranq in the CD rotation.........we seem to lose as much as we gain when he switches to do that and the healing becomes general rather than specific and i often see a few emergencies - as Jas is the main raid healer tonite that makes it 50/50 i think.

I wish i could suggest more but i generally think we're on the path already and its just a case of doing it.

Cheers

Niel

[TeaLeaf]

We talked this through in officer channel last night.   The feeling was that we are now sufficiently ahead on dps throughout the fight and now that we are, we ought to be able to move from a 2 tank, 2 healer setup to a 1 tank 3 healer set up.   We'd lose circa 15k dps from the boss (but we think we have this amount in hand), but we'd gain a beacon for the tank by using Whitey to heal Hubbah's pet (which avoids the purple debuff and therefore should keep the 1 tank alive) and it would alleviate the tremendous strain on healers for this fight and provide additional, CDs.  

The only way to tell is to try it, so our plan is to give it a bash on Tuesday's raid.  

We've had multiple really good attempts down to 20% now which were ahead of the DPS curve, so let's nail this one to the flag pole on Tuesday and hoist up the victory!

[hubbah]

We would not only lose the tanks dps but my dps will drop as well seeing i have to use a "tank" pet wich wont give me any dps boosts.
And lets say we dont have Grimnar for next run we will be missing the 5% crit buff as well. Just someting to think about
I know that we want to make the healers life eazier by doing this but how hard do you want to make it on the dps?

[TeaLeaf]

Just hard enough for the kill!

It's a tricky balance Hubbah, but at the moment we've spent the best part of 3 full nights on the current tactic and not quite made it, so some changes are probably worth a try, even if only to rule them out.   And I'm sure Grim will do his best to cover us until our new ele shaman is geared and up to speed for us.

[TeaLeaf]

Just found this little nugget:

Also your resto shaman can cheat group healing by chain healing through a pet since only the first hit causes stacks.

Not sure if it still works, but it was only a week ago this was posted.

[hubbah]

Guess the boss will be down when we get slush & puja in chain healing the whole raid via my pet hehe..

But joking aside, ofcourse we have to try all tactics to see what works for us and what doesnt, im just abit scared that we wont be able to make up for the dps loss we will have by switching to this tactic. Maybe im just being paranoid:P
Im looking forward to have a few more try's on this boss and to get him down because im getting abit sick at seeing him still standing after a whole evening on wipes