HEROIC Yor'sahj the Unsleeping - DEFEATED 24/01/12

[JonnyAppleSeed]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1048577-Yor-sahj-the-Unsleeping-10M-Heroic-Help

This is worth a read ... many people having the same problems... 3 healer 1 tank dps require 33k avarage to beat enrage ...... so we are in the ballpark and it must be worth a try

also some tips on the types of healz for each type of combination tho with 3 healers we should have some breathing room

[hubbah]

And the 33k is with the tank doing how mutch?
There are a few people in the mmo post that are saying "More like 38" blabla, is that with the tank then?
And how are we going to handle with the tank being on 4 stacks and not being able to heal him? You wont have a tank to taunt off him?

[Azunai]

I share Hubbah's concern. But of course I'll ramp up the DPS as high as I can to see if we can make it work :-)

That said, I'm really all out of ideas otherwise... We're doing the whole thing right, it's just we seem to be in that area where we're only *just* losing people. If we won't make it tomorrow, then some extra gear and we're going to make it through, I'm positive.

[hubbah]

Dont get me wrong, ofcourse its possible. I been looking at a few logs the last hour or so and there is room for improvement on our side but checking our logs for the longest try ( the 15% wipe ? ) we had the following numbers:

40k
38k
38k
32k
30k
24k
----Total
202k / 6 = 33.67k Each

Wich is cutting it close
And with losing a tank everyone has to go up at least 2.5k to make up for that.
( I did not add the tanks because im still not sure if the numbers posted by the guys in the MMO post are Incl tanks or excl tanks. )

I know i messed up my rotation quite a few times & i been trying a few things to make the dps go up so i think ( only talking for my self here ) it is possible to do it, we just need a perfect run.

[Leggs]

I would be in favour of us trying 3 healing again, it would hopefully eliminate "bad luck" deaths and put this fight in the hands of our DPS - 33.3k average seems something we can handle

[TeaLeaf]

I think we'll quickly find out if it works or not and keep in mind the dps numbers steadily increase in the final 25% of the fight with talented abilities.

[Azunai]

I've also seen a vid where they basically get an ooze summon @ the last 8% or so, and they just focus 100% on the boss rather than going for the ooze. We may want to do the same when we get to that point.

[Slush]

The feeling was that we are now sufficiently ahead on dps throughout the fight and now that we are, we ought to be able to move from a 2 tank, 2 healer setup to a 1 tank 3 healer set up.

Im slightly frustrated it took officers 90 wipes to consider this option. Feel free blame it on the "we havent had the sufficient dps until now". But we should have tried this long time ago just to see if we could hit an enrage, and also to see if any smaller adjustments could be made to force the kill through with 3 healers.

On a side note: Are adds hitting us from behind? If so: can we do an extra effort to avoid this from happening?

[TeaLeaf]

Im slightly frustrated it took officers 90 wipes to consider this option. Feel free blame it on the "we havent had the sufficient dps until now". But we should have tried this long time ago just to see if we could hit an enrage, and also to see if any smaller adjustments could be made to force the kill through with 3 healers.

On a side note: Are adds hitting us from behind? If so: can we do an extra effort to avoid this from happening?

I think this is slightly unfair Slush.  I share your frustration, but we could have immediately gone to 3 healers and wiped on the first ooze phase of each pull as the ooze was only just going down in time with the extra dps *and* we were behind the overall dps curve.

In the early pulls we'd already made the assessment that we would not have made the enrage or even close with 3 healers.   Back then we were doing 190k rdps whereas we're now pushing 225-230k rdps.  This boost meant that it was noticeable on the last night of tries that the ooze was going down a lot earlier than before *and* we were now ahead on the dps curve, this gave us the flexibility to explore this change in setup.  

Dropping a dps when we were already behind the dps curve was simply not an option for us back then imo.  Sorry. :sad:

Edit: I forgot to add that adding a dps has been problematic recently due to Grimreaper disappearing, Grimnar retiring, Incendia's new addition and various others being late for a particular raid etc.

[hubbah]

And dident we start by trying the 3 healers 1 tank and dident we fail pretty hard? ( see try's on day 1 )
The way we did it the past week is the way it has been working for a lot of guilds, why would it not work for us? We had a few pretty awsome try's and wiped due to losing tanks mostly.
I agree with the fact that we should try a different tactic and this might be the one that will work for us now seeing the dps went up quite abit.
I dont really understand where your frustration is comming from Slush.

[hubbah]

Im slightly frustrated it took officers 90 wipes to consider this option. Feel free blame it on the "we havent had the sufficient dps until now". But we should have tried this long time ago just to see if we could hit an enrage, and also to see if any smaller adjustments could be made to force the kill through with 3 healers.

On a side note: Are adds hitting us from behind? If so: can we do an extra effort to avoid this from happening?

Thats really someting we can see when we are stacked and you cant see anything but adds and a boss on your face.

[Whitey]

I think this is slightly unfair Slush.

I think it's more than slightly unfair.... We did try this already, we had at least half a night with three healers but we didn't have the dps.  We dropped to 2 healers and added an extra tank to try and ease the load on the healers a bit as it was proving difficult with the tank on > 4 stacks of the debuf and with the tank doing 10-15k dps, this put us back on track with the dps.  So we have tried 2 healers 1 tank, 3 healers 1 tank and 2 healers 2 tanks...So to say we haven't been trying anything for 90 attempts makes me more than frustrated Slush :sad:

The dps has improved a lot since the last time we tried 3 healing and so we feel it's worth another try.

[Azunai]

I agree that we might have gotten better results if we'd stuck with 3 healers, but at the time we weren't getting further because the MT was dying. So we switched to 2 tanks, which consequently resulted in 2 healers. I guess we'll see tonight if we can keep the tank up with 3 healers after all...

Otherwise though, we nailed all other aspects of the fight by now, and our time's definetly not been a waste.

[Slush]

I think this is slightly unfair Slush.  I share your frustration, but we could have immediately gone to 3 healers and wiped on the first ooze phase of each pull as the ooze was only just going down in time with the extra dps *and* we were behind the overall dps curve.

Ok, I was properly proven wrong tonight by TL. The dps barely lasted. Gz RGT on the kill, and yay for a fun fight.

[Azunai]

I haven't got it on paper but I think our 2nd time to get so low, which was the actual kill, we actually had quite some time before the enrage, like 20 seconds or so..?