Crafting prices again!!

BrotherTobious · March 07, 2012, 11:48:13 AM

Twisted is giving out to OP people for free a epic ear implant, but if your not he is going to charge you the cut price of 50,000 credits. That seems pretty steep myself thoughts feelings? please I dont like this charging bit at all.

Also it seem the crystal is open which is BOP you can get from normal mobs. Please correct me if I am wrong, dont want to go in with a words and make a arse of myself

KKND · March 07, 2012, 04:28:11 PM

Im farming Crystals that only drop in FP,HM...with that i can make Lightsabers.
I did make Ice one and did not charge him,why do i need to charge a guildmember.

I thought whe made statment that whe dont charge Guildmembers.

Grimnar · March 07, 2012, 05:36:20 PM

Well with his new reply he makes some more sense

I get his point and would agree with it.

He is using stuff that drops in raids to create raid level stuff that should be used within the raid groups. (if it only drops in raids i aint sure about it, kknd knows it maybe as he has been raiding)

I said to him, that i will bring this up with the officers and get some info to the guild about crafting raid gear for guild members. Like the mats needed, prices asked etc.
If we can get a sort of line about that then everyone in the guild should be holding up to that.

I would ask TL if he could post how it is going in wow about this. I know for the loot drops the raiders (only raiders) have to pay dkp for it. But i aint sure how it goes with crafting.

smilodon · March 07, 2012, 05:55:36 PM

Replied with a comment about guild banks that if they are properly featured could help with all this. It might make sharing guild resources much easier

BrotherTobious · March 07, 2012, 07:10:13 PM

Quote from: Ice Hawk;346191Well with his new reply he makes some more sense

I get his point and would agree with it.

He is using stuff that drops in raids to create raid level stuff that should be used within the raid groups. (if it only drops in raids i aint sure about it, kknd knows it maybe as he has been raiding)

I said to him, that i will bring this up with the officers and get some info to the guild about crafting raid gear for guild members. Like the mats needed, prices asked etc.
If we can get a sort of line about that then everyone in the guild should be holding up to that.

I would ask TL if he could post how it is going in wow about this. I know for the loot drops the raiders (only raiders) have to pay dkp for it. But i aint sure how it goes with crafting.

Good thinking Ice run with it chief

TeaLeaf · March 08, 2012, 08:23:54 AM

Ownership of any item needed (like Heart of Darkness) for crafting is with the WoW guild bank (it gets all the crafting items that drop), we then sell them for DKP to raiders for crafting when they have their other materials and a crafter ready to go.

We do not sell the crafting items to non-raiders until such time as they are no longer needed by the raiders.

BOP items that drop via raid instances are also guild bank property but have to go to a crafter and traditionally we have not charged for them within the guild. We provide any recipe drops to nominated crafters and they provide the service for free to guildies (mats have to be provided).

Guild crafters do not charge for the act of crafting for another guild member (but they do not supply any mats). If a person gets it crafted by a non-guildie then they should expect to pay a fee or provide a tip for the service provided.

In essence it's simple.
If the crafting item comes via access to a raid then it is guild property.
Crafters cannot charge other guildies for crafting an item where materials are provided (this includes materials provided by the guild raid which are now in the bags of the crafter)
Any other materials must be provided to the crafter.

Hope that helps.

TeaLeaf · March 09, 2012, 08:31:15 AM

I stuffed a reply into the thread this morning as it got ressurected by Twisted. He seems to be an angry person atm, no idea why. Apologies if this jumps the gun from one of your intended replies.

I think we need someone with Op experience (KKND?) to post here and explain how that BOP item drops so that Council here can understand what it is they are discussing and then post appropriate rules about ownership of the item.

BrotherTobious · March 09, 2012, 08:52:13 AM

Was crafting a personal response as the first comment was personal. But this is a hot subject we need to figure out a way to make this work.

KKND · March 09, 2012, 09:34:37 AM

BoP Items drops from end bosses.
If a Schematic drops and no one in the group have the skills to craft it,it's free loot.....if whe have crafter for it..it's his...

As whe dont have an Guildbank yet this is a issue when it comes on free loot.
When the new patch comes,whe can put those schematic's into the guildbank,if whe dont have a crafter in the group when running op's.
I think also but dont know for sure,that before running op's the op's leader can turn loot rules into master loot instead off free loot.
So this person can keep the items that drops in his inventory and put it on the Guild bank when it's there.!

PS...As TL said "I dont know why he's angry now"i think that has to do with my reply on Vladic's post that he didn't show up.
Yesterday when running op's he didn't speak any word with me,but with the rest he did.

And bout Vladic's reply on my one from yesterday,he said he was tuesday for the first online but hes telling lies as i saw him online monday before doing op's!!
I'm not gonna reply on his post now,but im very tempting to do it........

BrotherTobious · March 09, 2012, 10:20:25 AM

Kk please don't reply don't want a public fight we shall handle this privately thanks.

also great write up and will digest it

Sent from my position in this ever expanding universe.

TeaLeaf · March 09, 2012, 11:42:02 AM

Can the BOP item be used by all crafting classes or just some specific ones?
I.e. should we be directing who gets these items to ensure that needed items should be crafted.
My view is that if they come as a result of a guild Op run then they are guild property and we can send them to be used as we dictate.

Re schematics - my 2 cents:

-it is not free loot
-priority should go to officer crafters as they are the ones less likely to do a runner (and we lose that crafting skill if someone with a recipe leaves the guild)
-if no crafter in the Op run can use it then it should be given to Toby to hold for the Guild Bank
-Toby should then offer it to crafters in the other Op run
-if the recipe is still surplus then it should go to GTM with the sale proceeds being used for the guild benefit.

WoW runs it exactly like this and it has resulted in a massive benefit for members.
-all repairs are paid for by the guild
-all consumables & buff food are bought & paid for by the guild
-epic upgrades that are purchasable on the auction house are heavily subsidised (e.g. the new epic gems were sold to raiders with a circa 80% discount)
-competitions & prizes are paid for by guild bank when we run a guild compeition (e.g. the Christmas competition gave someone a 20,000 gold mount as first prize)
-and the WoW guild still has a huge sum in the bank to support the guild further in the future
-WoW guild bank has in gold what I estimate to be the equivalent of perhaps 60,000,000 credits so the system is proven and works well

smilodon · March 09, 2012, 03:00:42 PM

Bearing in mind the current limitations of the SWTOR guild system pre patch 1.2 and the fact that the two games are not identical I'm adding my support to the idea that we run SWTOR the same as we do WOW, with the same rules and the same benefits.

The concept that if the guild gets you into a raid and gets you rewards then you should use those rewards for the betterment of the guild not yourself. Personal armour and weapons are your rewards, crafting is for the guild. Seems a fair exchange and a proven process.