new comp players

[Chaosphere]

Good man Mugi! Just need to get you all together same time same place. As before.. Wednesdays would be a good starting point!

[Prototype_Jay]

I played comp last night with SJ,Pnuts and Rambo so there's no segregation in my eyes.

[Chaosphere]

Well tell that to Blizzard. They agree that SR 3,000 players should probably not be grouping up with SR 2,000 ones - the game will not let you do it.
I have explained this many times, and am not going into it again.

Our priority as the Overwatch 'Team' in dMw is getting everyone into the games they want to play - including both those at SR 1,500 and 2,500. Great if you want to group up with whoever and their mum Jay, but we both know that this view is not shared by everyone playing the game right now, for the reasons I have explained many times before.

We do what we can to get everyone online grouped up in one way or another, and would love to help facilitate other comp groups if people are interested. Saying you're interested on here is great, but you do actually need to show up online to play too!

If only we had an organised community night for things just like this... :norty:

[Prototype_Jay]

Well tell that to Blizzard. They agree that SR 3,000 players should probably not be grouping up with SR 2,000 ones - the game will not let you do it.
I have explained this many times, and am not going into it again.

Our priority as the Overwatch 'Team' in dMw is getting everyone into the games they want to play - including both those at SR 1,500 and 2,500. Great if you want to group up with whoever and their mum Jay, but we both know that this view is not shared by everyone playing the game right now, for the reasons I have explained many times before.

We do what we can to get everyone online grouped up in one way or another, and would love to help facilitate other comp groups if people are interested. Saying you're interested on here is great, but you do actually need to show up online to play too!

If only we had an organised community night for things just like this... :norty:

The point im making is i'm not looking down on people and making myself elitist because my SR is higher than other peoples. I was reassuring Optic that people aren't 'blocking' or avoiding other people because of rank.

[Chaosphere]

And although this may not be your intention, you are suggesting that we ARE looking down on others and being elitist. Hence my reply as above.

As I have said, this is something we have gone into many times and I hope it is clear to all that this 'elitism' is not the case.

[Prototype_Jay]

And although this may not be your intention, you are suggesting that we ARE looking down on others and being elitist. Hence my reply as above.

As I have said, this is something we have gone into many times and I hope it is clear to all that this 'elitism' is not the case.

I was reassuring Opic that people aren't 'blocking' or avoiding other people because of rank.

I'm not suggesting anything. I was making my point from your last comment. I know we don't share this idea you're taking it out of context.

[Chaosphere]

And although this may not be your intention, you are suggesting that we ARE looking down on others and being elitist. Hence my reply as above.

I am fully aware of what you are saying Jay. But how you are saying it will be misinterpreted. Saying 'there is no segregation in my eyes' and 'not looking down on people and making myself elitist' INFERS that OTHERS ARE doing these things. It is not just a case of me taking it out of context, but of how you are wording yourself making it impossible for it NOT to be taken out of context!!! I am merely making it very clear that this is not the case, that none of us are being elitist, as this is not what it is about at all.

[Mugi]

Chaos, if Myopic and I were to have a small team going for comp, how would the channels work?

As it stands, I'm assuming only admins have access to locked channels?

[Gunda]

There is only one locked channel and its only locked as and when, so shouldn't be an issue just pick one of the team channels.

[Chaosphere]

What she said.
And if you were to regularly group up and wanted a locked channel to stop any interruptions while you game, I'm sure that's something that could be arranged

[main]

I would also like to join a team for competitive, 2500-3000 for starters

[Myopic Sniper]

Sorry - I didn't mean to cause an upset. To prove your point Chaos, I came out of my placement matches having played nothing but Mercy or Lucio and came out with 1500 SR. I get that people with 3000SR don't want to play comp with me as they're precious about rank. Jay - it's great to hear that you're keen regardless! Maybe we can link up at some point and you can shout stuff at me?

My main bug about Overwatch is that I feel like I am punished for wanting to be a support character - (Is this actually the case, or am I just poo?). So I'm now learning how to use other characters! Roadhog is fun (but he's about to be nerfed!). Diva rocks, Reinhart is mental and I just plain don't get Winston or Zarya! DPS or Defense characters don't do much for me at the mo, but I realise that I have to learn them!

Basically the things that I want out of this:

1. I want to play comp. My reason is that quick play is just for people messing around. I am not interested in this. I want to play to the best of my ability with other people around me doing the same.
2. I want to play with people who aren't aggro or salty or trolls. dMw supports this through their mantra "Teamwork, Fair play and Fun".
3. I want to get better, I want to learn and I'm happy to accept useful, constructive advice from anyone! Quick play is great for this, right?

Maybe we ought to have a few dMw teams? split them into 500SR chunks? and people can choose where to play? I'm already in comms with Mugi to get something rolling for our level.

Lastly, I didn't mean to infer that people are looking down on me as a lower-ranked player. I don't care if this happens or not, I just want people to enjoy the game experience and I want to too! I just feel like my selfish desires are not catered for. With the drive to get a team full of scrubs together to play regularly, then that's me happy.

[Gunda]

I played a fair amount of mercy in season1 placements, and i played Anna in the season2 placements, i don't think you get punished too much for being support.

some pointers for Mercy getting bonus points is to not die, fly about as much as possible, heal multiple targets topping people off, swap often between heal and dmg boost, key being dmg boost dps if the team has a rein and his shield is up. If you find yourself on your own use your pistol and melee, she has a very effective gun!

Lucio: watching high SR players playing lucio is crazy, and quite often they use speed boost a lot more then heal, and are always shooting, booping and generally being very annoying.  If you not stealing kills as lucio then your doing it wrong. also learn where you can wall ride on each map to be most annoying and avoid dying.

map awareness and general responsiveness to being shot at and where enemies are is almost as important in this game as it is in counterstrike, make sure you know where the flanks are for any point on the maps.

Map melee to a button on your mouse or easy reach button, i see this as the least used attack by a lot of ppl.
All heroes do 30 damage when using melee. The only exceptions are Reinhardt and Torbjörn, who deal 75 and 55 damage with their melee weapons respectively


Just some random thoughts, hope it helps a little, and i am also always happy to dish out advise during quickplay..  I think i spend almost as much time playing the game as i do reading and watching youtube vids on it..

[Chaosphere]

Sorry - I didn't mean to cause an upset. To prove your point Chaos, I came out of my placement matches having played nothing but Mercy or Lucio and came out with 1500 SR. I get that people with 3000SR don't want to play comp with me as they're precious about rank. Jay - it's great to hear that you're keen regardless! Maybe we can link up at some point and you can shout stuff at me?

There are no need for any 'sorries' mate, I think we are all able to discuss things like this without causing any problems - from my point of view I have just wanted the why to be clear. I know that we all mean well, we have a great, tight-knit community here that much should be clear to anyone

My main bug about Overwatch is that I feel like I am punished for wanting to be a support character - (Is this actually the case, or am I just poo?). So I'm now learning how to use other characters! Roadhog is fun (but he's about to be nerfed!). Diva rocks, Reinhart is mental and I just plain don't get Winston or Zarya! DPS or Defense characters don't do much for me at the mo, but I realise that I have to learn them!

I 'main' support in comp. When I was playing around 23-2500 I would play a lot of Mercy, as she does great bulk healing, so I tired to keep the team alive to have the biggest impact on the games, which worked. Above that level, the opponents do start to get a bit more competent, and it becomes harder to stay alive as Mercy as she has poor defensive capability.

I moved on to Ana and Lucio as they can both sustain themselves a bit better. Now, Ana is a high skill hero. To get value from her you have to be landing your shots, and in particular the sleep darts. Staying alive as Ana will often depend on if you do or don't hit that sleep dart on the flanker trying to kill you. She is a tough hero to play well, and I see many in comp making mistakes with her - over-extending, being too aggressive (she is a healer 99 times in 100, and shouldn't even look to the enemy team/Pharah unless her team are already all covered and taking care of themselves), or positioning themselves poorly - stay with the tanks, her impact is greatest when healing a good front line up.

Lucio is a lot easier to play in terms of raw aiming, but often harder to get value out of - particularly when playing with unorganised teams. As Gunda pointed out, a lot of his value actually comes from his speed boost. Did you know that Soldier's grenade outheals Lucio's Amped heal? He can heal, and he works particularly well with Ana (where her nade increases the rate of his passive heal), but he should never be a solo healer for the team, unless your team has mostly self-sustain heroes (Roadhog, Soldier, Tracer, and so on). I find myself frequently switching between speed and heal as him, trying to use speed not just to initiate pushes (which is tricky when people don't do what you want them to!) but also to get people into or out of the fight. Again this is hard to co-ordinate out of groups, but sometimes you can see someone fleeing and drop in to help. It seems pretty clear to me although Lucio is a great hero, and one of the most useful supports in the right teams, when your team isn't grouping, isn't pushing or retreating as one, getting value from him can be very tricky, and you may be better switching off onto a 'proper' healer, even Mercy, despite what I have just said!

As with Ana, staying alive with Lucio is also largely about positioning. He has the added bonus of being a fantastic mover. You can be a real pain in the ass if you get a grip on the wall-riding, but up close this will only keep you alive for so long. Like all heroes, he needs to be in the right place - usually behind his tanks and DPS heroes.

Finally, as I am talking about supports... Zen. Zen is an off-healer. He does a tonne of damage in the right hands. I love Zen, he is by far my best hero in the game. However, in some circumstances he is more useful to the team than others. He is great at healing squishys, as his orb is a give and forget. Stick it to an advancing tracer or genji and it can keep them alive long enough for them to make their kill. It is great for Pharah as it then doesn't 1) put your Mercy in the line of sight and 2) require Ana to be hitting those aerial shots. On tanks though, his healing per second is weak - and although it does of course still help, alone it is not enough to keep a team alive against a co-ordinated focus fire. I tend to try to use him only if I know we have a competent other healer on the team - and even then I am wary healing with Zen and Lucio for the reasons I outlined above.

I think staying alive as a support is about both picking the right support for your team, and knowing both how to play them and how to position yourself well on the map. If you ever find yourself on the front line, you're doing it wrong. It is easy to blame DPS/Tanks for nto keeping you alive as a support, but tbh I think a good support should be able to self-sustain in most cases. Positioning helps this, as does knowing who to stay with and when to back off. Remember too that overwatch is about the team fights, and sometimes your team loses one. In some cases it is even better to let yourself die, if you are the last one up against a pushing enemy team, so that you can respawn WITH your team to start the next team fight as a 6. What you don't want is to stay up for a few more minutes only to die before your team reaches you, to then leave them 5v6 for the next battle.

Basically the things that I want out of this:

1. I want to play comp. My reason is that quick play is just for people messing around. I am not interested in this. I want to play to the best of my ability with other people around me doing the same.
2. I want to play with people who aren't aggro or salty or trolls. dMw supports this through their mantra "Teamwork, Fair play and Fun".
3. I want to get better, I want to learn and I'm happy to accept useful, constructive advice from anyone! Quick play is great for this, right?

Maybe we ought to have a few dMw teams? split them into 500SR chunks? and people can choose where to play? I'm already in comms with Mugi to get something rolling for our level.

Lastly, I didn't mean to infer that people are looking down on me as a lower-ranked player. I don't care if this happens or not, I just want people to enjoy the game experience and I want to too! I just feel like my selfish desires are not catered for. With the drive to get a team full of scrubs together to play regularly, then that's me happy.

As for these points, yes there are 2 solutions. Number 1 is we try to get a team going for those below 2500 SR. You and Mugi are a great start, and I know Bizon is keen on comp too (although he never checks these forums!). Honestly the best bet is to get online and see who is around your level who may want to group up to push up the ranks - chat to these guys and girls on TS and arrange times when you can group up in groups of 3-4+. If we see a number of you online at a time, particularly on the Wednesdays, we can help. If Wednesday's don't work you need to tell us and we will help you find another slot. Playing with higher ranked guys like Jay is fine of course, but remember it will pull in harder games and you are more likely to suffer losses, keeping you at your current rank. If you want to advance in rank, ideally you need to be first beating and progressing beyond those at your current level, IMO.

It is also worth noting that yes although Quick Play an be a mess, we can ALL group up for quick play and regardless of what the enemy team do, WE can play as a team and try to work on our teamwork and gameplay together. I would just say in TS when you're getting in a group with whoever that you're keen to practice and improve, and say if you want to try a certain role. I am sure we will all be more than happy to play around that, and to help and play 'seriously' - as if it were comp. This can be done on Wednesdays or any night that games take place. There is no reason we can't as a community be playing quick play AS competitive without the rank - this may help tremendously.

Re: advice and so on, well yes quick play is perfect for that, especially if we are playing it how we have described above. We can also do this in dMw Customs. There is also the option of having 1 of the more experienced guys spectate you during a quick play or custom game, to offer some tips on how we think you could improve. No we aren't masters at the game, but a lot of us have put a lot of time both in game and out of it trying to improve how we play and even if our mechanics aren't world class, I think as a group we have a lot of decent knowledge and understanding of the game. If you're keen on this I would suggest you let one of the admins know and we can arrange it. I for one am more than happy to spend some time spectating your gameplay to offer any help I can.

OH and if you are able to record your gameplay (no comms please if with other dMw!) and get it to us, we can also watch through it and see what we can offer to help. That could be a good option too if you are able to do so!

I will keep my eye out for when you are online, to try to help as much as I can. I hope this post helps somewhat, and please let us know what else we can be doing to help!