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TheDvEight

#15
January 24, 2018, 06:18:27 AM
i'll install the ssd at some point, I know how to do that. Theirs the single stick of RAM made by some company i've never heard of and no 1 is selling them anywhere sigh with regards to the pictures via iphone i'm not sure why there so small or the quality is so bad they looked good quality when i reviewed them via the phone -.-
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sulky_uk

#16
January 24, 2018, 07:39:59 AM
if you use cpu-z it will provide you with the info you require about the motherboard, if you are unsure still post the screen up here. I have had the same issue since i stopped building my own computers a few years ago, not with the specs, but with ACER or HP basically colouring the board so you cant see its id



https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html


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TheDvEight

#17
January 24, 2018, 08:58:03 AM
Nice one sulky I used another software program and it said it was a Lenovo 36d9 so hopefully the one you suggested will make it clearer


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TeaLeaf

#18
January 24, 2018, 09:40:51 AM
This video runs that CPU and that GPU through PUBG.  It demonstrates quite clearly that the CPU is a major bottleneck on your PC.  It's running at pretty much 100% even before there is action going on around you and even with the settings knocked down (the video shows settings having to be progressively reduced in order to play).   I have to agree with Sulky & Smilo though, the advertising claims seem truly awful.

[video=youtube;ViS305bfBe8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViS305bfBe8[/video]

Consider an upgrade the CPU to a compatible Kaby Lake i5 or i7.   Your motherboard is Kaby Lake with a B250 chipset.  It should run up to an i7-7700 (evidence), however it i worth checking on the Lenovo website to see what the CPU compatibility is for the BIOS you have on that system, just to make sure!

Your current Kaby Lake i3-7100 is a £90 CPU, high clock speed @ 3.9Mhz, but low cores and it's number crunching ability is about 40% worse then a £160 Kaby lake i5-7500.  
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i3-7100/3648vs3891

£182 improves things to an i5-7600 and you get bigger improvements:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7600-vs-Intel-Core-i3-7100/3890vs3891

£257 bumps you up to an i7 and more improvements.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700-vs-Intel-Core-i3-7100/3887vs3891

How long will the upgrade last?   At least until you find the next thing that doesn't run.   If you want a precise answer you'll need to wait for us to get the piece of string out and measure it.

For my money, given that you are happy with medium settings, I wouldn't bother going more than an i5.  

The best advice I would give is to talk to us before your next PC purchase or upgrade as you've unfortunately not got the best value out of the money you have spent.
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TeaLeaf

#19
January 24, 2018, 09:56:17 AM
Quote from: Gunda;429191Do not sell your SSD.... get it in there takes like 5mins to open the case and plug it into a spare sata port.  
+1

Great advice from Gunda.   Do not sell the SSD, stick it in your PC and you will notice a massive improvement in load speeds, not just on bootup, but when you load games and even in-game with map levels etc.
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Chaosphere

#20
January 24, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Nice Post from TL about the CPUs...although I'll say again I personally wouldn't bother with the £150 i5 as I'd be worried it wouldn't offer enough of an increase to make it worth it. The i7 (£250) will last longer and provide more of a tangible upgrade. Given that you can likely sell the i3 for say £50 (realistically speaking... Hopefully more like £70!), you're paying £200 for the upgrade. There isn't a right or wrong answer though, and TL's path may well be the right one for you. I'm only able to suggest what I would do, it's up to you which way you go!

Although I want to get back to this RAM issue as if there really is just 1 stick of RAM that absolutely has to be the first upgrade, as single channel memory is a joke nowadays. Are you sure on this? I just can't be sure from the pictures... cpu-z, linked by sulks, does have a memory tab that you could screenshot here for us to clarify... We could also then find matching RAM for you if lenovo seriously decided to sell you a 'gaming' PC with only 1 stick of RAM.
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TeaLeaf

#21
January 24, 2018, 11:05:57 AM
Firstly, there's no right answer here imo, we'll only know which would have been right after the fact, so a lot of it comes down to personal preference.

i5 is a lot better than i3 and very playable.  
i7 is best by a way in terms of performance.  
However, you'd not notice the difference between an i7 @50% and an i5 @ 80% in gaming terms as both play the game with headroom to spare.

Chaos is right in that the i7 is going to be best and last longest if you do not upgrade again.  
However if you do upgrade again at some point in the future then the question of when you upgrade will affect the choice you should make today.

If your next upgrade will be a few years off then you'll probably get the gaming value out of pushing for the i7 now.
If like me you could not wait that long and might want to upgrade sooner then the i5 will allow you to play now and save some money towards the future upgrade, which is more than likely going to need you to upgrade not just the CPU but also the motherboard and RAM too in order to get to utilise whatever is the then current socket, chipset and RAM type.

Anyway, I found a nice PUBG video with a comparison of the i3, i5 and i7 which shows the quant in performance differences.  Hope this helps.

[video=youtube;yDROy9OPXas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDROy9OPXas[/video]
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TheDvEight

#22
January 24, 2018, 11:46:25 AM
Cheers TL very helpful and clear post.


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Tutonic

#23
January 24, 2018, 06:55:44 PM
Being the boring nerd that I am, I'd always recommend you gather some hard data before dropping cash.

You should run a perfmon session (Google it, you'll find instructions) to log your CPU usage while playing some games, then go back and check out the graph. If it's often topping out at 100% and getting bottle-necked, upgrading that CPU is probably a good idea.

Given the i3's weaknesses you'll almost certainly benefit, but it would be cool to know just how much before you go ordering stuff.
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Chaosphere

#24
January 24, 2018, 11:44:03 PM
DD sent me the photo of the insides and it is indeed 1 stick of RAM. I would think shoving a second channel of memory in there is the first thing to do (along with one of those SSDs).

I'd put the cpu on the back burner for now as who knows how giving it a second channel of memory to breathe with will affect performance. It may fix the problem for you.

From what you have said, this seems to be the same RAM that's in there, right?

https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sk-Hynix-8GB-1Rx8-PC4-2400T-UA2-11-DDR4-19200-SDRAM-Desktop-Memory-HMA81GU6AFR8N/253378751263?hash=item3afe8ceb1f:g:lOIAAOSwMqBaWKs4
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TheDvEight

#25
January 25, 2018, 08:50:38 AM
Yes that is the ram when I looked on shopping via google search I couldn’t find the stock anywhere to buy which is slightly annoying and worrying


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sulky_uk

#26
January 25, 2018, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: .DickDastardly.;429232Yes that is the ram when I looked on shopping via google search I couldn’t find the stock anywhere to buy which is slightly annoying and worrying


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I would still be tempted to complain to argos about the advertising. Who knows worst case they say suck it up  butter cup or they offer  you something to make you happier, or somewhere in between, worth a go

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Chaosphere

#27
January 25, 2018, 09:16:51 AM
Oh I completely agree with sulks here. Even if you have no receipt... do you have it on a bank statement or something? I mean, with single channel memory in a so called gaming PC, I would be personally contacting the Ombudsman if Argos didn't refund it right away!

It can't hurt to try this avenue... right?

Failing that, grab the RAM from eBay. You couldn't find it before as its just some budget RAM, made by a smaller company that Lenovo will buy in bulk from.
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TheDvEight

#28
February 02, 2018, 11:24:27 PM
A Bonus from work and birthday vouchers has got me a Intel Core i7-7700, just gotta wait for it to arrive now :D
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Chaosphere

#29
February 03, 2018, 06:14:45 AM
Well that should certainly eliminate the CPU as a bottleneck!

With that and the dual channel ram you should be good to go. Remember your GPU is still low/mid range though, so don't expect to crank those graphics up to high. With slightly lower settings I can't imagine it'll be a problem!
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