I guess this is a tactics question.

[George^]

Ok, so I play CS almost daily and whenever I get the chance,  but the thing is I mostly play on publics (which means sometimes there's a hacker, sometimes there isn't) I guess you take your chances.

The point being I run around sometimes, there's a plan to follow it all depends I guess.  As CT on a DE map I tend to get to a bombsite and try to find a good line of fire at wherever the T's are coming from...

But with all this playing I don't feel like I'm improving or learning much, with the exception of the lame AWP's are pretty much > all on Dust 2, after an hour or so most of the AWP'ers had a 40 kill 10 death rate with me at around 4 kills 20-30 deaths.

Is there anyway I can pratice? well another point being I don't know what to pratice.  <_<

-George

    - I hope someone can make sense of this jibberish, it's 4am my time.

[Gh0st Face Killah]

Hi George,  4am gee where are you based?

Try and get onto our servers if you can, then you can see the sort of tactics that we employ for different maps. The tyrick with avoiding awps is just to find a spot where they can't get a long shot/easy kill on you and force them to come to you, if you can get them in a close range battle chances are you'll win.

[George^]

Ah, I'm based out of Ohio in the US.

On maps such as dust or aztec I can't seem to get into close quarter battles, espically defending like A High on Dust2, you leave yourself open from 3-4 directions.

So not really sure.

Also, for Dust2, As CT. When you go to get over to the B site, I've heard people say that in the Leagues, most people don't actually go into the site itself, rather guard outside of it sort of.

But in that situation you're left open to be flanked from middle and a long depending on how good the other people are in those spots.

Another senario, on de_train.  If I'm T I basically have 3 options:

1)Go up the first stairs follow the group and hope that someone in front of me is a good shot enough to clear off some of the CT's in the site then mabye I can camp a corner and wait for CT's to come diffuse.

2)Go up the middle like a crazy fool with smoke, flashes, he's, and try to make it to the point where I can take cover behind a train, hoping not to get AWP'd by a CT from that back wall.

3)Go all the way down to the end and try to flank the Outside bombsite from the left hoping that mabye the CT's left it open that round to get a few kills with the element of suprise.

I mean other then that, camping spawn with a scout.. shrug. I donno just doesn't leave me with many options.

-George

[Benny]

Try and get onto the server when they are busy with the regulars here. It's a lot easier to play tactics, especially on those maps when you have a co-ordinated team behind you. (literally in Squonks case)

Personally, I think it seems successful when you try to pull the enemy in multiple directions. By co-ordinating attacks you can make sure that the snipers aren't focused on one spot.

[George^]

Yeah, I understand that the community of the server has alot to do with it.  Of course you guys are mostly on Europe time which most days makes it near impossiable due to my schedual (I sleep late into the evenings, go to work, get off late at night) and pretty much play overnight for my timezone.

I do like the larger servers as far as public servers are concerned, with 24 players you're bound to have a good one or 2 on most of the time.  But I also am noticing no matter how good someone is if they're CT on a de_ map with 6-7 T's rushing them they may get 3-4 but they won't get them all.

I know that's where teamwork comes in, but in situations like that I tend to hit my own team more then the other team due to all the madness with all the bodies and the flashing and smoke it's tough to know who to shoot at.

Also I guess it tends to have to do with the limited amount of cover provided by the maps, I mean there's only so many good places I found to hide but once I use them once and that map runs for an hour I can't use it again they'll just pop around and 1 shot me to the head.

Is there anyway to get better at just flat out rushing the other team? I mean I know it's a game of numbers and if you're rushing 7 T's as a CT you're going to die.  But when I try it I may get like a foot shot for 7 damage or something before I'm just 1-2 shot killed by one of the T's.

I have a map called cs_academybeta which I got from one of the tactics sites I believe benny linked earlier.  It was good for checking to see exactly where my bullets went with each gun but in game it's a whole different story.

-George

[Grimnar]

use smoke and flashes to get near them or to give you time to run away very fast or what ever  <_<  


But try different things against them. Look on how they play and you will learn also some things what you can use against them.


It is always a learning thing

[George^]

Smoke pretty much lags me to much to be a of use, as it does some of us.

I've just had horriable experiences with flash grenades.. as a terrorist on de_dust, running down the tunnel I throw one, flash myself and about 20 other people and all you hear is them yelling on the voice comm and this and that...  That doesn't so much bother me as the fact that I just flashed myself and I have to keep moving so we don't get bunched in the tunnel and I jump out into the bombsite and die.

Also it seems when people throw flashes I turn into a corner and I still get the full effect for what seems like 5 min (probably more along the lines of 20 seconds).  It's something that I guess could improve my gameplay if I knew how to use it but I'd rather not flash my team and myself in the process.

And when I do get them off it seems like the other team isn't flashed as I rush in I die in 1 shot again ect.

-George

[George^]

On another note if someone wants to talk to me in real time rather then on this forum:

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-George

[Grimnar]

Originally posted by George@Apr 2 2004, 10:34 AM
Smoke pretty much lags me to much to be a of use, as it does some of us.

I've just had horriable experiences with flash grenades.. as a terrorist on de_dust, running down the tunnel I throw one, flash myself and about 20 other people and all you hear is them yelling on the voice comm and this and that...  That doesn't so much bother me as the fact that I just flashed myself and I have to keep moving so we don't get bunched in the tunnel and I jump out into the bombsite and die.

Also it seems when people throw flashes I turn into a corner and I still get the full effect for what seems like 5 min (probably more along the lines of 20 seconds).  It's something that I guess could improve my gameplay if I knew how to use it but I'd rather not flash my team and myself in the process.

And when I do get them off it seems like the other team isn't flashed as I rush in I die in 1 shot again ect.

-George

yeah it is all about the situation you are in.

If you rush with your team it is not smart to throw flashes infront of your team.

So far i think it is how you play and how you see the situation you are in and how you think you will handle it.

Just like i said it is a learning thing

[George^]

Yeah, from that prospective I can see that on the flash gre.

What I am trying to do by that is to blind the CT's that are coming around the corner to the site / to the end of the tunnel to rush us.  Should I bind something for when I throw a flash or just probably not use them in a rushing situation and more of as a camping situation / mabye with a few of us left vs alot of them.

And also I see your point about the fact that it's a learning thing.  The original intent of the post is that I don't feel that I'm learning much of anything by playing but asking if mabye there were some things I could pratice that would make me a better player.

-George

[DuVeL]

I'd say try our server aswell. for the rest, CS:CZ has bots aswell which can be given a difficulty. The best way to learn for me is on our own server tho after a while you know how people play.

On dust2 make sure you're not on the same spot every round, also keep moving when an AWM is spotted, some gits out there are really good. You wont find the AWM much on our servers tho unless your team is loosing with +4, same for autosniper.

[ChimpBoy]

You work 7 days a week George?  If not then try going on around 3-5pm your time and the server should have peeps on it.

[Dr Sadako]

Originally posted by George@Apr 2 2004, 10:28 AM
Is there anyway I can pratice? well another point being I don't know what to pratice.  <_<
 

You can try some of these ideas:

1. First person view. Look how other players aim and what routes they take. I often follow the more skilled players in first person to pick up new things to improve my game. Usually I only follow one or two players on an entire map. It is easiest to keep track then.

2. Vary positions. Do not go to the same spot(s) round after round. Predictability gives the enemy extra edge. Try and find new positions rather than using your standard favorites.

3. Raise your aim. Many players have a tendency of keeping their crosshair aimed at the ground in front of them instead of keeping it at chest/head hight. By raising you crosshair you will definitely increase the amount of headshots and kills. Aim where you think the enemy could be. Where would you be if you were enemy covering that area?

4. Play by sound and Radar. Most players on public servers have clogs and are easy to pin point by sound even without visual confirmation. If you don't have a headset (or headphones) buy one. The stereo perspective combined with use of radr will render you many easy kills. Don't be surprised if you get accused of cheating on a public server.
You should obviously try to avoid generating sound if possible. Walk or crouchwalk!

5. Grenade practice. Learn to master the grenades. Start your own server and use your spray to mark a spot. Then master to throw HEs etc so they land, bounce, stop on that mark. After that do the same but by walling the grenade before. Then do the same but crouchwalk, walk, jump and run. Learn the differences on how speed inpacts on the throw. Grenades are extremelt powerful when used properly.
When playing try to save HE to the end of the round. Then it will be lethal as opponents are likely to have less health left.

Hope any of these help.

[Benny]

Depending on your point of view, a well timed flash into an oncoming rush is superb.

If you hear everyone stomping through the mincer, flash it as they come through and..well....mince them.

[George^]

Thanks for the info Sadako.

ChimpBoy, nope I only work 5 days a week.  And I'm starting later now at least 6pm my time I guess if I wake up awhile before work and get ready ahead of time I could play with you guys before I go in to work.

The 4) Sound and Radar... that seems to be the key more then anything that I've seen.  I guess I'll just have to keep attention to that and try to spec some people where I can see where the others are to see what direction the sound is coming from and how loud ect.  Right now on the over-laping maps sort of it drives me nuts.

Is there a different sound in Dust2 between people being above you on the bridge and on your level? I haven't really tried to check on that and sometimes I'll be underneath and panic thinking someones coming around the corner.

As T's on a rush is it generally the consenus on a "RUSH" to flat out run at the bombsite with no consideration to walk?  Believing that the whole point is that you have more people going to the bombsite then they have defending it, so you can get the bomb down and defend it asap?

I suppose for rushing I can work on a quick standstill so my aim is ok then start shooting in 1-2 shot bursts, that might cut down on some of my "pathetic" rushing deaths. i.e. I make it past the intital awper or 2 and I'm face to face with a enemy yet I still can't land a shot on him because I'm moving so rapidly.

-George