Hunting with dogs.

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smilodon

#30
September 16, 2004, 10:36:08 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by DeadMike@Sep 16 2004, 10:19 PM
So the dog points the target wich stands still and then you walk up to it and shoot it with a pistol? Or is that only the case if you "miss" and have to end its misery? Stag is deer, right?
I didn't explain fully. The hounds basically chase the stag to exhaustion. When it can't run anymore it's natural instinct is to put it's back to some secure barrier like a hedge or wall and face down the hounds. It's so knackered it can't do anything except stand there. The huntsman just walks up to it and shoots it. Hunt over. Then the stag is cut up and the bits handed out to various people in volved in teh hunt such as the Hunt Master and members of the hunt and the owner of the land where the stag was killed etc etc. And children that manage to be at the kill get 'bloodied'. Which means they get stag blood smeared on their cheeks. As happened to my brother and I when we were  on holiday on Exmoor.

As to the article I'm not sure I agree with everything but the comment about meat production is spot on the money and basically what I have been alluding to in this thread. I exploit animals just like fox hunters. They don't have a problem with their form of exploitation and I don't have a problem with mine. It would be hypocritical for me to argue my indulgence at the expense of an animal life is OK and theirs isn't. Great find Mr Twig  :)
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Vincentvega

#31
September 16, 2004, 11:29:51 PM
right then here we go i hope u r sitting comfortably.....


oh f#*k  it i cant be  TANGO'd ..
its cruel....
 if ya need to get rid of em, shoot the buggers if not leave them alone..

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JonnyAppleSeed

#32
September 16, 2004, 11:40:27 PM
I know what you are all saying but it will never make the news :rolleyes:
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#33
September 17, 2004, 12:15:11 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Sep 16 2004, 10:31 PM
Well considering the amount of assumptions you're making there I'll ignore you until you come back with someting concrete.  Sorry, but what you've just said has made me pretty angry given that you know nothing of my experience.  Perhaps you'd like to regale us with your experience, rather than take a pop at me with little foundation  <_<

 
The assumptions I'm making are based on your description of your 'experience' in that you went to the hunt 'most' Boxing days. Again I ask, did you follow them?  If you did, one day a year would not add up to too much 'experience' in my book.
For my part 'regale' would be too strong a word to use but I have hunted with two hunts, The Essex and the Essex Farmers and Union for 9 years both mounted and on foot. During flusher periods I sometimes hunted twice a week. I still have never seen a huntsman shoot a fox!

Twig, good find. He was doing all right until he went all veggie.










     

smilodon

#34
September 17, 2004, 09:32:58 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Chimpboy+-->
QUOTE (Chimpboy)
Smilo - my point isn't contradictory. I believe in moral relativism, whereas you're approaching things from a polar point of view (I think?). I find what you say about the "emotional" point of view highly questionable. You implied (so I think) that "needs" were essential to human existence. Not so for the proliferation of the species. In that case emotional needs are irrelevant and would, under your description, be counted as "desires". [/b]You may well be right. As I've said I don't profess to know exactly what the line between needs and desires actually is. So I don't draw one. There is an argument that says human needs go beyond what we need to survive. Unlike most animals we do have an emotional/spiritual side that may 'need' some sort of nurture. We're not machines and I'm open to (although not convinced by) the argument that says to 'exist' as humans we need to stay alive and we need to experience emotional growth and have some sort of interaction and relationship with other people. It is just an idea and I'm happy to stick with what keeps us alive being needs and what makes us happy being desires. Although someone who just satisfies needs isn't going to have much quality of life themselves.
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Armitage

#35
October 27, 2004, 08:18:27 PM
looks like the "ban it" wins.

sorry you blood thirsty lot, but Tony was right.

Democracy works again  :devil:  :devil:  :whistle:

smilodon

#36
October 27, 2004, 08:42:03 PM
Again..nothing to do with protecting animals and everything to do with a class war. And to think that prat Balir is going to envoke the Parliament Act to get it through. The Parliament Act is reserved for times of National Crisis and was last used during WWII.

Still we voted for the idiot  :(
smilodon
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Armitage

#37
October 27, 2004, 09:49:48 PM
yep :dribble:

A Twig

#38
October 31, 2004, 08:31:37 AM
Yeah, its another chance for a good ole class war to try and keep the working vote for Mr Blair. (That isn't meant to sound condescending to anyone by the way)
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Stryker

#39
November 03, 2004, 08:58:41 AM
If I had to die, and I had the choice of been chased till I dropped in mortal fear of my life then being ripped apart by wild dogs.... OR being shot dead at an undisclosed time I'd pick the later.

Any dipshit who is pro hunting with dogs/fanfare/horses/inbreds is simply a cock.
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TeaLeaf

#40
November 03, 2004, 09:53:39 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Stryker@Nov 3 2004, 09:58 AM
Any dipshit who is pro hunting with dogs/fanfare/horses/inbreds is simply a cock.
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Hunting foxes with cocks is allowed?  :blink:
Gee, I never knew they could run that fast.....   :whistle:
What about inbred cocks?  Are they alright too?
What about smacking.  Can I smack a fox?  Can I?  Go on, can I?
Can I smack a fox with an inbred child holding a dog to the sound of a trumpet fanfare?

Some times the world is far too complex.  :(

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smilodon

#41
November 03, 2004, 11:05:11 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Stryker@Nov 3 2004, 09:58 AM
If I had to die, and I had the choice of been chased till I dropped in mortal fear of my life then being ripped apart by wild dogs.... OR being shot dead at an undisclosed time I'd pick the later.

Any dipshit who is pro hunting with dogs/fanfare/horses/inbreds is simply a cock.
[post=68507]Quoted post[/post]
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If your comment it rephrased it might work differently though. So playing devils advocate.....

If I had the choice of living free and as nature intended in  a world through which I could roam, hunt and survive and die by being chased by dogs and assuming the unlikely happened and I was caught (statisitcally I would usually get away) be killed instantly by the first hound to reach me (remembering I am a fox with no higher brain function and therefore incapiable of the emotion of fear or able to conceive of my own mortality) or

live a short unpleasant life crammed into a tiny, dark, smelly space, fed some chemical paste that makes me so fat I can't move, never see the sun or breath fresh air, never to roam free or live any kind of life for which I was designed and then be squeezed into a lorry with hundreds of other of my kind and driven up a motorway to a place where I get to queue up until it's my turn to have my throat slit.

Fox or Kentucy Fried Chicken?
smilodon
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Thulsa Doom

#42
November 03, 2004, 11:14:46 AM
Are foxes edible?
If so, I'd eat em and so then would no longer be a hypocrite (on that subject anyway) :)

Stryker

#43
November 03, 2004, 02:05:31 PM
That my man, is the perfect answer.

If the inbred gentry were to be made to eat their kill, I'd be tempted into supporting the continuation of horse back fox hunts.

I mean they must really like it considering:

A ) Its a fox
B ) Its been licked/bitten by dogs that spend all day sniffing each others arses and licking their goolies.
-=[dMw]=-Stryker

A Twig

#44
November 03, 2004, 02:13:43 PM
Fox is quite a nice meat actually, has to be cooked properly though, otherwise it very easily ends up too tough and stringy.
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