Flanking when bomb down.

[Whitey]

I was told I wasn't playing in a TCS style tonight when the bomb was called down at B   .  I decided to flank through the building rather that going up ramp and through the passage (not much difference in time as bomb at exit to building).  I shot the last T on the way to the bomb. Is this OK? I mentioned to others in my team and they thought it was OK but depends on circumstances and I have watched other more seasoned members do it on a number of occasions.  

I just want to get an idea of peoples opinions on flanking when the bomb is down.

[DogMeat]

Bomb down != bomb planted.

Still, there's not much point to TCS on a public server if it's not being admin'ed.   <_<

[Peppster]

I think its ok

[JB]

Quote from Duvel in the past:  "I can go where ever the hell i want when there's only 1 man left".

 

I think that's written down somewhere isnt it??  To be honest does it really matter when tomorrow you'll have forgotten about it and moved onto something else silly to argue about.

[DogMeat]

"On de_ maps if the bomb is 'down' and in view of the CT team then the CT's job switches from guarding the bombsites to guarding the bomb. CTs can converge on the bomb to provide backup using all available routes."

Well that's news to me.

[Benny]

IMHO,

Bomb is called, bomb is down, bomb is down, I get to the bomb as quickly and directly as I can.

Coming through the corridors on cbble is the example. I'm not gonna run out in a nice line from the single entry point to the B site.

There are no lines on the maps, but there are objectives. If the objective to neutralise the bomb presents itself, I think you should take it.

[Maus]

Originally posted by Benny@Jan 6 2005, 11:26 PM
Bomb is called, bomb is down, bomb is down, I get to the bomb as quickly and directly as I can.

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I concur. However, the matter of when it's okay to move out of bounds to cover the bomb is a little sticky - a couple of examples for you:

1) On cbble, the bomb is downed in the big courtyard outside of T spawn by someone in the CT sniper windows. In this case it wouldn't be okay to move up to guard the bomb. It is too far into "T territory" to justify having a bunch of CTs moving up, and it can be well-covered by CTs in the sniper window and at the exit from the left-hand corridor (from the CT perspective).

2) On inferno the bomb is downed around the crawlspace area (exit of the ramp on the left from the T perspective). This time I think it's fine for the CTs to move in to cover the bomb - so long as they don't venture down the ramp it's fair game.

Bottom line I suppose is that you should use common sense. The bomb being down shouldn't be used as an excuse to go hunting terrorists, but it does make good tactical sense to cover a downed bomb (this is Tactical Counter-Strike after all). So long as you remember that the game should be fun and fair for both teams everything should be okay.

[Doorman]

Originally posted by Benny@Jan 6 2005, 11:26 PM
IMHO,

Bomb is called, bomb is down, bomb is down, I get to the bomb as quickly and directly as I can.

Coming through the corridors on cbble is the example. I'm not gonna run out in a nice line from the single entry point to the B site.

There are no lines on the maps, but there are objectives. If the objective to neutralise the bomb presents itself, I think you should take it.

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What a credit to the TCS community he is. Beware false or mistaken calls of 'bomb down' though.

[Benny]

Being the upstanding mofo that I am, I always repeatedly ask if 'you definitely have the bomb'.

This carries into other areas, I don't think the T's should feel safe anywhere on the map. I'm not suggesting spawn killing or owt, but standing just behind the double doors making choices on Aztec is asking for trouble. But I can see that one stretch of the ethics leads to another.

We're all grown up, we all know the principles, and after all it's a game. Let's just play it the way we all know we should. Team and objective, and nekkid from the waist down.


EDITED to make Doormans response below look irrelevant.

[Doorman]

No wit intended this time. Just didn't want to sound too mawkish so I put a 'witty' edge to it.    It's my week for saying the right things in the wrong way.  :blush:
EDIT: The 'bomb down' comment was really directed to others reading this. As a little clarification, don'tcha know.  
I'll quit now while I'm ahead.

[Armitage]

Whitey, you where in your rights to use any route to the downed bomb as you saw fit.

7. Bomb Down
On de_ maps if the bomb is 'down' and in view of the CT team then the CT's job switches from guarding the bombsites to guarding the bomb. CTs can converge on the bomb to provide backup using all available routes. If the bomb is then retrieved then the defenders must choose to either continue the engagement or drop back and resume covering the bombsites. Whichever of these two actions is taken, it must be taken as a team.

[DogMeat]

Originally posted by Armitage@Jan 7 2005, 11:59 AM
Whitey, you where in your rights to use any route to the downed bomb as you saw fit.

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I already said that, didn't I?

D "furrfu" M

[DuVeL]

Originally posted by JB@Jan 6 2005, 10:21 PM
Quote from Duvel in the past: "I can go where ever the hell i want when there's only 1 man left".

 

I think that's written down somewhere isnt it?? To be honest does it really matter when tomorrow you'll have forgotten about it and moved onto something else silly to argue about.

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On the map, aztec, you were the last T alive and I got a call that you wear shooting from underneath the bridge. I went through double doors to kill you. I did get it from one of the longer players in here that if there's only 1 enemy remaining you're allowed to kill him if you know where he is.
correct me if I'm wrong about that.

[TeaLeaf]

The official reply is YES it is fine to break through the old map limits when the bomb is down.  BUT, you should not be flanking to get some cheap frags, you should be heading towards the downed bomb to help cover it.  What is referred to as 'flanking' may also achieve that aim, but you need to be careful that the frag-monster in you doesn't get out

TL.