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Statements like that is the same as saying something like "People don't get hit by buses, just look at me, I'm still here!" and are plainly wrong (sorry to iterate this, but it's just wrong...).

im saying drives "just" dont die, there is a reason for its death, you dont "just" die, you might die in a bus accsident.

- claw

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In terms of reliability, Samsung is far the best, we hardly see them, the worst is probably Seagate, once the most reliable is now the most unreliable, although the Maxtor brand is sort of still around, but still essentially a Seagate, Maxtor drives had both reliable and unreliable models, depends on the model numbers. Although barring in mind that there are more Seagate drives out in the market than any other manufacturer

i have some good experience with Samsung Spinpoint F3 drives, (500GB) since they have a 16mb buffer and are single plated.

- claw

Well gratz, your the first member of this community to make a fair discussion personal.
but then again, dont really care for what you may think

:roflmao:

then don't bring it up..

- claw

That they were crap, but if werent aware, maxtor is no more, and havent been for a while, they are now all Seagate
http://www.maxtor.com/home-en-us.html

But Lets stop going OT and answer Oths question

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Drives do "just" fail but it's your risk, I was just trying to be helpfull.

i know we all are, but unfortinetly someone has something agains me and my posts. so i do just think that il just go...

Btw there is no maxtor, maxtor is dead.. finally..

what do you have against maxtor?

- claw

[MY EXPERIENCE]

And so does constant swearing where none is needed.  Grow up a bit and drop the swearing.  For the record though, nobody edited your post.  Our forum software automatically deletes/removes offending words.

As to your reply, if you seriously believe drives do not fail then go ahead and cross your fingers.  All we're saying is that blindly putting your head in the sand and ignoring the fact that HDDs do fail is pretty daft.  In fact, running 5xHDDs in a nice fast Raid0 means you are precisely 5 times more likely to see a failure than running it on a single drive.


Backing up is your own decision, but don't deride people for doing it or blame them for 'mistreating their disks' when clearly that has nothing to do with it.

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but the thing is, i have told MY EXPERIENCE about the drives i have had for years, in controlled and uncontrolled enviroments. now if YOUR DRIVE dies, it does not effecy my statistics and i feal sorry for your data loss, it sucks. i do not say im perfect i have whiped few raid arrays by accident, but that does not effect that my drives lives...

and to be on the topic i even provided him with a faily solution.

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- claw

TL:
as you see WD`s arent that good of a disc.

5 x 10000 rpm SCSI raid 0 MAXTOR running for 3rd year so far, without anny errors.

about SMART monitor well it has been proven several times that SMART does not work.

Ignoring personal preference and the clear indication that perhaps my faith in the WD brand is misplaced, I do not think you could accuse me of buying 'crap brand disks' or 'treating my hardware as ****". However I have had 3 HDDs in 3 different systems 'just fail' on me in the last 2 months (4 drives if you include the Passport). None gave any warning, none showed any SMART errors, they just failed.

i dident but dident you just have what 3 WDÃ,´s die on you?.

aircondition cant help you here you know that, due to the air thatÃ,´s inside your rack case is still hotter than the enviroment air due to hardware.

- claw

p.s next time you edit my post, atleast you can do is tell me your doint it, instead of just doing it. it p***** me off! thank you

Hard to say - does that kit include a motherboard?

just what im about to ask , i dont think it does, and if it dossent then i would recommend going for the i7 860 instead

-claw

[drives dont "just" fail.]

If there is nothing on your PC that you care about then fine but if there is, then you should be backing up the things you wouldn't want to lose. Hard disks do fail and sometimes they fail in a big way (no way you'll get the data back).

heh, no offence mate but no i dont do backups never did never will.

drives dont "just" fail.
i kinda dont care if you have experienced something else with your drives, the reason of your drives die and mine dossent are propedly becuse my drives has an excilet enviroment and the drives are high quality drives.
(no WD raptor or velasiaptor are not quality drives)
drives lifetime is limited by the enviroment, if your drives are 60c celcius then no they will die.

i have been listening to peoples whine about their drives and how they died.
if you buy a good drives, and you take good care of your drives then they dont just die on you.

in the last 5 years i have been running with the same discs for my system drive in same raid array just other systems and i had never ever experienced anny issues with them

now in not a normal user, im an end user and maybe more than that unfortinetly i dont waste money on cheap disks and there for i do save time and money in the last end.

in the last 5 years of my OC career i have met a guy who has studdied harddrives and storrage in more than 10 years, and his point of view is that people do **** whit their pcÃ,´s and the peace of hardware that takes the lagest beating is the HDD.

since its realy the only peace of hardware in there that has a "moving" peace, and makes the head and plate open for damage.

i have sevaral disks that have been covered with dryice, ln2 or even water, the only thing that it has been done to them is they have been whiped with a towel and they have worked ever since.

so i **** you not, buy crap brand disks and you will need that backup, treat your hardware as ****, and you will need that backup...

-claw

Aye sorry was late. Currently running AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ with 2046MB on an Asus mobo. Can't figure out what type though, it's not in dxdiag :<

i am more conserned about your psu.

but how much have you thought to spend?

could you tell us more about what you got?

such as ram, mobo, cpu, and psu

- claw

Was that meant as a joke of some kind...?

no bob, i still have my first ide disk witch is retired due to its capasity but it sill runs like a champ.

mine sata discs that i am using for system are 2 years old now, and still running like chaps. and do 150meg/sec

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- claw

ctrl + alt + delete :roflmao:

oh wait, I don't have that on my mac
- claw

i usaly dont take backup of my stuff, since i have never experienced a dead disk.

but this can be done alot cheaper.

i do have something simmelar to dropbox, tho its my own solution, and i dont have a folder i have a drive.
due to the my company im running, i need to get access to my files, databases, invoices etc etc etc from annyware annytime.

now i do have a virtual winxp running on my master server wich i do all my buissness related stuff, such as support programming and so on,
that virtual pc has a drive that is on a virtual NAS (freenas) and wich is hooked up to my main storage area, wich are there where all images are loaded from
my nas is mounted as a network drive on all my pcÃ,´s and my mac, where all devices are hooked up to my drive trought a secure tunnel, even my iphone.

incase i need my calendar witch is important aswell, then im dumping calendar shares, contact and even my emails on my drive (i have more than one drive, but a bit of structure 1 drive is enought)
where my mail clients can sync from, also using the same tunnel.

this is on a much bigger scale that you need, but in the theory its the same
if you have questions feal free to ask.



- claw

my lock would be interested

- claw