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Dave, I think you're being deliberately obtuse here, I never said it was you, I was giving examples to support the generic process.   But let's be more constructive, how about you set out the way you feel it should have been handled please.

No I don't believe I am.  Who else exactly would you be referring to when you are replying to my post and you're bringing up my exact situation?  Either way, don't give a **** anymore.  I'm done with this thread.
Cheers
Dave

You know what, it seems I did misread the original post slightly so I apologise for that but as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't change the point I was trying to make.

With regards to the quote you have posted, where exactly does it say there that I re-activate my account and expect a raid spot straight away?  Pretty sure I said "Might try and start raiding in MoP".  I'm confused where in that sentence I state that I expect a raid spot immediately?  This is my point, you've twisted what I said to make a point and make me seem like i'm only doing this because I want an immediate raid spot.  Let's also take into account the fact that, after the fist sentence which is obviously me (in a roundabout way) stating that I would be up for giving the social raid group a go, everything is about everyone and not just myself.  So again, I also think that the personal digs at my situation weren't called for, especially when they were totally misread in the first place.

I don't seem to remember anywhere that I have said that I expect to get straight back into raiding and quite offended that you decided to take my comment that way!

Well, my last and only post now on this is about this quote.  It seems to me that it's fine for you to make an assumption about what i'm actually saying but then not apologise once I point out that you've made a very incorrect assumption but hey, I guess that must of been missed in the walls of text that don't actually address my point: Where is the fairness to the entire guild/additional people that would like a chance to raid?

But don't worry about it, not expecting anything else now and my part in this thread is well and truly done.

Enjoy MoP folks and all the best.

I think the main issue here is one of 'quart into a pint pot'.   We'll try to provide raid places as natural turnover (people retiring, changing jobs etc) & demand (e.g. a third raid group) allows, but we can't remove existing raiders to artificially create that opportunity.   In that sense there is an element of first-come first-served as the ones already doing it get the first chance to maintain their raid spot.   Anything else would be unfair.

No, the point here is trying to be fair to everyone and not just those that are currently raiding.  I'm not suggesting that people get kicked out just to make spots available, but surely it's fair that everyone has a chance?  If it's a first-come first-served basis then say that!  Don't give people the option to register their interest when it's just going to basically be the same people again. It would of been easier to say "Current raiders; let us know if you're not planning on raiding and we'll fill your spots".  At least then people know that it's going to be the same people again and not get their hopes up.
At the end of the day, i've tried to make a point and it's been missed/ignored and some of my other points have been glossed over as well.  There's just no point me replying any more as the point will just keep getting missed and no one will address the fact that there might actually be a point to what i'm saying.  I'm not saying that people should be kicked out of the group, i'm trying to advocate a bit of fairness in how it was done.  But hey, i'm just someone that's been out of the game for a few months so obviously my opinion doesn't matter!!

The current structure does allow the chance for new people to raid, but it does not mean that everyone will get a chance to raid immediately they re-activate their account.   There are other considerations, like for example when you noted your wish to raid on a mage both raid groups already had two mages in each of them!

I don't seem to remember anywhere that I have said that I expect to get straight back into raiding and quite offended that you decided to take my comment that way!  However, I don't think it's unfair to expect a fair chance at it.  You also mention the time in which I registered my interest, had I realised that it was a first-come, first-served basis I would of posted a lot sooner.  However, as it said something along the lines of 'register your interest and we'll get it sorted once we know who's interested', this implies that it shouldn't matter when you actually make your post.

As some people here know, I am very aware of what it takes to get raids going (being part of many top raid groups in the past) and don't expect things to be sorted at the last minute.  However, there is no way that people can predict what is going to happen once the expansion actually hits.  I doubt this is going to happen but, you could get half the raid force decide to quit after playing the expansion for a few months because there are changes and stuff that make things undesirable, which would then make a lot of the planning pointless because you'll have to fill all those spots again.

Anyway, I just wanted to make my point and hope that someone actually gets my point.  I'm probably not going to get MoP until the end of the month due to funds but once I do, I will probably give the 3rd raid group a chance if possible and see what happens.

At one stage, I was looking to head back into raiding but to be honest, i'm not really all that sure that I want to now.  It seems like it's just become too much hard work all around.  However, if I did decided I wanted to raid a bit again, it would be mage DPS for me.
I also think that maybe a change over in the other groups might not hurt.  Firstly, it's just plain nice to have a change every now and then and play with different people.  The other reason, with set groups, it gives absolutely no chance for other/new people to raid (especially if "RG3" doesn't happen) and you could end up missing out on very good raiding players.  My opinion on this is to hold 'auditions' when people are ready and go from there.  I kinda feel that picking the raid groups now, before the expansion is even released is jumping the gun.  Talent trees are changing and new gear will be about when people are ready to raid so why not give everyone an equal chance of raiding?  I'll be honest, i came back because i liked the look of MoP and wanted to give raiding a go but at the moment, i'd just be wasting my time even thinking about it.  
Anyway, that's my little bit over and done with (for now)!!

I think I might try and start raising again in MoP and will be looking to use my mage as main.

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Hi all

I just wanted to let those of you that don't yet know, i've left the guild to join a newly formed raiding guild.  

I just wanted to say that it has been a pleasure spending time playing this game with you all and I will miss being here.  I'm hoping that this move will get some joy back into the game for me.  I wish you all the best for Cata and nope to see you all around.  I'm hoping to leave my shammie in the guild but if not, i'll see you all around.

All the best

Dave

Was having a look to see if you needed any tanks as was thinking about comnig back into the game more again but looks like you're all sorted.  
Best of luck in ICC and will see you all around

I'd like to book for me and Thebhoy please?  Got a twin room booked up for us.  
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