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you need 2 daggers for mutilate to work

and maces/swords/fists all use 2.4 as their normalised attack speed, so apart from any weapon specialisation differences, theres not a lot in it. 5% extra crit from fist spec is imo nicer than 5% chance to proc an extra attack with swords, if pvp is your thing.

daggers are better in every situation if your willing to work for it.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?3050031050421325210513000000000000000000000000500000000000000000000

There ya go. Strongish for PvE too. 2nd on meters on rogue-friendly bosses, 1st is also mutialte rogue.

/mene

just say the word, ill give sinap a beatdown.

Just so you guys know, I havent abandoned the signup site project completely, I just dont have time atm to work on it.

Me and torir are gonna do more on it when we get christmas holiday.

er, no. you havent. if youre going to lie about me, do it somewhere where i cant see it

finish the raid and it goes to the old raids. just disapprove everyone before you start and finsih the raid and no AP will be given, incase you have to cancel a raid.

feel free to make your own system.

all world buffs stack

ill admit that me wanting the DHC (the gun rata was referring to) was utterly selfish and i wish i hadnt ever got it! raid need > pvp need. (thats why +dmg gear is higher rated for mage than pally i guess padd)

I love you adu

:sad::byebye:

personal preference. i chose reduced cooldowns and imp sprint as the places to spend the spare 4 points because i hate being kited. making sprint break snares, and reudicng its cooldown = win

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=14541 - Gift of Arthas -  might be useful on the tanks. increasing all damage taken by 8 doesnt sound like a lot, but really it does add up and make a difference. It works on a lot of mobs including bosses. If you understand why its worth taking a hemo rogue along, then youd understand why this is worth using too And its cheap to make.

i just looked at your profile, i dont know whether its upto date or not but i guess not as it has some kinda combat daggers spec, but i'll give some cc anyway.

no improved slice and dice - you went for imp evisc anyway, but with combat daggers you probalby wont evisc, ever. whereas you should be SND'ing all the time.

relentless strikes-  this will make your SND cycles guaranteed cost 0 energy when you get to the 5 point SND stage.

an example would be -   http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?005023104000000320305202055010020105000000000000000

the points in murder, endurance, imp sprint are just "filler" talents - they could go anywhere but theyre there just because tehres no where better to put them.

weapon expertise is the best talent in combat tree.

for fists then:
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?205303105000000320015202005010523100000000000000000

may work for you.

fist spec isnt the best for boss fights as you cannot get 310 unarmed skill, so you will still get glancing blows.

combat specs are all about white dmg. aim for +hit items (NS shoudlers and gloves are infact better than BF equivalents for raid dps - but look crap, remember as a rogue your no.1 objective is to look awesome). 24% base miss rate for dual wield (or something) is a LOT of wasted dps. if you stick fist/sword you will have more combo points than you need to keep SnD up, so use evisc. if you ARE combat daggers (which is TERRIBLE for combo point generation), then snd like draz said, do a SnD when you get 1 muffin, then 3, then 5. 5pt improved SnD lasts for 30s. it takes 30 seconds to get enough energy to make 5 combo points with a non-SF backstab build. coincidence? i think not. use blade flurry whenever possible even if youre attacking only one mob. another 20% increased attack speed? yes plz!

he means the priest will be OOM

hey.. us skeg people arent fudged...

ok maybe jsut a little

keep pewpewpew'ing neff

so your saying with that system you would have close to a 100% crit chance in deadmines with menedil

sounds nice

well not quite.

but i do know that my crit chance IS considerably higher in DM. 305 weapon skill vs 100 defense skill mobs or so... kekekeke